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Gun owner stops dog attack

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by TheeBadOne, Oct 20, 2003.

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  1. TheeBadOne

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    Terry Ayala was stirred from her Sunday afternoon nap by loud barking.
    When she peered from the bedroom window of her Northeast Side house, a horrific sight was unfolding in the yard next door.

    Ayala's neighbor, Malko Oswald, was on the ground behind his house with his 50-pound pit bull latched to his face.

    Ayala screamed for her husband, retired San Antonio police officer Hector Ayala. He leapt from the living room chair where he was watching the first half of the Dallas Cowboys game and raced to the backyard fence, screaming at the dog to stop.

    The dog ignored Ayala's shouts, locking its jaws on Oswald, and chewing at the right side of his owner's face and arm.

    Ayala then grabbed his Glock 9 mm handgun from the house and fired a shot into the ground, finally scaring the dog off his owner. He said the gun was a retirement present from the police department.

    As of late Sunday, Oswald, 48, was in stable condition at Brooke Army Medical Center with lacerations to his face and arm and puncture wounds to his side.

    After the dog released him, Oswald struggled to his feet, leaning on a clothesline pole as Ayala burst through his neighbor's front door to help him. "I coaxed Mike to walk to the (back) porch," Ayala, 59, said. The dog paced in front of its kennel as Ayala pulled his neighbor into the front yard.

    A wide blood smear on the glass front door of the house in the 5800 block of Sun Bay was still visible later in the afternoon.

    "I just wanted to make sure he was OK," Ayala said of rushing to help his neighbor. "Today the damn dog just turned on him and got the better part of Mike."

    Neighbors said they haven't heard of any past problems with the pit bull, one of three dogs Oswald owns. The other dogs are not pit bulls.

    Pastor Dorothy Mack of Faith Harvest Church, who lives on the other side of Oswald, said neighborhood children often play in Oswald's backyard without any problems.

    To hear about today's attack, that's sad, he's quite a sweet man," Mack said. "God bless that man. We'll be praying for him."

    A police report said animal control officers retrieved the pit bull.

    This is at least the third pit bull attack in San Antonio this year.

    On May 7, two pit bulls killed a 13-year-old shih tzu and mauled a 60-year-old jogger in north San Antonio. On Feb. 8, a pit bull attacked three people on the South Side.



    http://news.mysanantonio.com/story.cfm?xla=saen&xlb=180&xlc=1072142
     
  2. XLMiguel

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    Doggie needs a dirtnap.
     
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    Despite what loving owners might say - about their pit bull .. I am afraid I trust them no further than I can throw ----------- up!!

    Have just come across too many bad incidents over last 10 years or so.
     
  5. Hot brass

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    Doggie should have caught a few 9mm`s to help in expiditing the dirt nap.
     
  6. HABU

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    ***? Into the ground? Granted, Fido was attached to his face, but if I'm gonna shoot, Fido is gonna get shot somewhere. When he does let go he will get some lead for his head.

    As a sidebar, if you grab a dogs tail up tight to his butt and lift his back end into the air, he will stop any agressive behavior.
     
  7. SteelyDan

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    Maybe this is the dumbest question I've ever asked (probably not...), but is there really any reason for a decent sized guy to be afraid of a dog? I can see where multiple dogs would be a problem, but just one?

    I'm 6', pushing 220 pounds, and I've got legs for kicking and arms and hands for controlling the situation. I think. I mean, there's a chance the dog will get in for one bite, but can't you then choke it and take control? If they let go, you've got them, and if they don't let go you can poke their eyes out, or whatever.

    The "locking their jaws on your face" thing does sound pretty nasty, but how would that happen in the first place?

    I freely admit I'm completely ignorant about this, but I've just never understood how 75-pound German Shepard police dogs seem to routinely take down 200-pound guys. Maybe I'm kidding myself, but I'll bet it's me, and not the dog, who walks away from that encounter every time.

    This thread strikes particularly close to home because we just got our first dog; a year-old Lab, Shepard, Beagle mutt. She's great in every respect, except that when my wife or the kids are around, she becomes extremely aggressive toward me, but only when we're inside the house. In a way, I like the protectiveness, but we've already tangled once and we may have to tangle again. And "no," I did nothing to inspire her aggression--I wanted to get a dog--except for the time I smacked her nose after she bit my hand. She's been a little better since then (growls instead of lunging attacks), but this is becoming a drag.
     
  8. WhoKnowsWho

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    You would be amazed how strong those jaws are, and how much strength is in the dog when it jumps at you...
     
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    SteelyDan

    I somewhat agree with what you're saying, but I think it depends on the breed. I think many dogs can be beaten by an average sized man. Though some breeds are hardier than others. My brother has a 1 year old Bull Mastiff. He's a sweetheart, but he's unbelievably strong. He's like one solid muscle with fur. I was squatting down playing with him last weekend and he crawled under me and started to stand. He damn near lifted me off the floor. I'd hate to think what would happen if he decided to turn to the dark side.
     
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    The "locking" jaws of a Pit Bull is a myth. They have a very powerful bite and for all practical purposes cannot be pried off, but there is no "magical" locking mechanism in their jaw.

    However, that being said carnivores typically are capable of killing prey much larger than themselves. Those of you that weigh 200 lbs and wonder how a 50 lb dog can do so much damage, just look at many of the carnivores in nature that bring down prey several times their size. Pit Bulls in particular are one of the most powerful and determined dogs in their size range (45-75 lb range).

    I agree that this dog must be killed. Good dogs don't try to kill their owner. I've known lots of good Pit Bulls (in fact the breed is known in the "dog circle" for being PEOPLE FRIENDLY), but something is seriously wrong with that dog for it to turn on its owner. The main drawback to Pit Bulls is their ANIMAL AGRESSION. It is NOT a breed I'd ever want to own, but I respect them.
     
  11. Shane

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    Yep, pretty much a walking muscle.

    One of my friends use to have a male Old English Mastiff (the most massive domestic dog on the planet). In the dog's prime, the dog weighed in excess of 250 pounds. He was a very nice dog, but he (plus the breed in general) don't live long though, unfortunately.
     
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    An English Mastiff is my next dog. That is after my German Shepard passes, which I hope is a long, long time from now. I've wanted a breed of Mastiff for a long time, but when dog shopping, my Shepard was $450 and the Mastiffs were $1200. So, given my financial situation at the time, I opted for the German Shepard. Love her to death.
     
  13. BryanP

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    Canines were not designed by nature to be that large. We have bred them up to that size. As a result they don't live very long. Great Dane's tend to be relatively short-lived dogs as well.
     
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    Cute little sucker, hard to belive they do get upwards of 250 lbs!
     
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    SteelyDan,

    Dogs, cats, others are VERY fast compared to humans. Not to mention much more powerful when comparing weight to strength. Plus they have those nasty teeth and you don't.

    I have been attacked by a cat before. Twice. Cat had something wrong in the head and I put him down. First time wasn't that bad but second time I was screwed up pretty bad along my whole left arm and hand. While the cat was "attached" I tried strangling him (felt like my hand was around a 4" steel pipe), beating him against a wall, and poking his eyes. Nothing got him to turn loose except me actually prying his mouth off my arm and ripping him off me.

    I was astounded how strong this 10# cat was. I cannot even ponder what would happen if one of my 75# dogs got ahold of me.

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    It's not that dogs or cats are stronger than people, but rather that they are specialized in their evolutionary roles...

    Many predators kill their prey through attrition of sorts. Clamp on to a prey animal and hang on until it tires enough to get a killing blow in, usually at the throat or spine. Very rarely does a cat (big or small) instantly kill its prey. And dogs are descended from pack hunting canines. A hunting pack frequently overwhelms its prey with numbers, each pack member grabbing onto the prey and dragging it down until one of them can make the kill.

    Humans have the highest proportion of muscle to body mass in the animal kingdom. However, a lot of our muscle is devoted to general use: keeping us upright, walking, lifting, general agility, etc... Most predatory animals' muscle is devoted to obtaining/killing prey. That's why cats and dogs are great at running and grabbing onto things, but generally suck at walking upright or carrying/lifting things.
     
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    wheres Hillary & chuck when you need them?

    Shouldnt Pit bulls be regulated?
    perhaps a limit on how many teeth they can have? say 10.
     
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    As a very experience 6' 220lb animal attack victim ( 23 times to date) I can tell you that any body who thinks he can escape a determined dog attack unscathed is very naive or has never seen an attack up close and personal.

    Dogs are predators and very good at what they do. Pitbulls may not have locking jaws but they do have 2500psi of pressure in their jaws. That will do alot of damage to a victim that has zero natural physical defenses.

    Pit bulls are not bad dogs, but they must be respected. A poodle or Taco dog are much more likely to attack but who cares.
     
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    Scooby's dead?
     
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    Makes me wonder why the guy had a pitbull (a catch-all term for a number of dog breeds).

    Family pet, or fighting dog?


    SteelyDan,

    I've seen a number of large, fast, and very muscular individuals who have been very badly handled by medium to large sized dogs.
     
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    A guy I know, a doctor, used to work in the ER at a New York hospital. The cops brought in a bad guy that they turned the police dog (a Rottweiler) loose on.

    The dog's jaws crushed the guy's femur (that's the thigh bone -- the biggest one in your body).

    I am not afraid of dogs, but I have a good deal of respect for them!

    Matt
     
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    One big advantage that humans have over dogs, predator versus predator-wise, is that at least we don't have to fight with our faces! :)
     
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    semf,
    Attacked 23 times? Are you a mailman?
    I used to know a guy that read electric meters. Now that is a dog unfriendly job. He was major mace packer.
     
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    Very few people are prepared for a real dog attack.

    HABU,
    I don't know how much the dog and man were entangled, but I might well fire a shot into the ground if I felt I might hit the victim by shooting at a squirming pile of fur and flesh. You aren't always presented with a safe shot.
     
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    worthless breed. I hate those things.
     
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