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Gun Owners - Hurting our own cause, giving the Anti's fuel

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by usmarine0352_2005, Jan 19, 2013.

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  1. meanmrmustard

    meanmrmustard Member

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    Agreed. They don't need any more ammo, they'll "reload" their own by rehashing, taking things out of verbatim, or clearly out of context in general.

    I, for one, appreciate the rallies and the people that go to them as lawful, gun owning citizens that wish to stand up for their rights.

    No one who cares will ever see that. Only tragedy.
     
  2. we are not amused

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    Perhaps you don't know that the NRA is the premier gun safety training organization in the world.

    If you know that, but think the NRA is not doing enough to promote it, then promote it's role yourself. Call your local school boards and ask them to have a NRA safety instructor come out and discuss age appropriate gun safety with school children, and their teachers.

    If you know somebody getting their first gun, recommend a gun safety class to them.
     
  3. meanmrmustard

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    I'd walk if I had to. We don't want crazies committing murder by car.

    I'll keep my guns, thank you!
     
  4. Carl N. Brown

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    I watched as a guy sold a Winchester pump he had inherited but did not want at a gun shop. The shop owner racked the pump handle and out popped a round (about ten rounds in the magazine too).

    Another incident at a gunshow: another inherited but unwanted gun, Beretta pistol, that the deceased owner had left loaded. The cop checking guns at the door and cable-tying them was startled. Not necessarily surprised, I think, but kept the guy from wandering the aisles with a loaded gun he knew nothing about.
     
  5. we are not amused

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    You seem to realize that the problem is largely with a biased and agenda driven press, but you seem to agree with the OP that we should just hide and hunker down, and not be seen.

    I don't think that there aren't any "idiots" out there, but hiding in the shadow while all the idiots get all the news media attention seems to be what you are advocating. If we do that, the news media is going to be able to paint us any way they like with out opposition. What we did Saturday is exactly what we need to be doing! Get out in their face, and challenge their lies! If we allow their lies to go unchallenged, they win! It is as simple as that!

    We can't hunker down and hide, for fear that they will talk bad about us. And agreeing with them that we are irresponsible as a group, because a few individuals are, is counter productive to the nth degree!

    If you have any rational idea on how to prevent all gun accidents and correct all the lies that the News Media tells, I'll put you up for Godhood!

    But merely whining about the people who have accidents, no matter how rare they are, and the fact that a hostile, agenda driven news media, manipulates the news, and then agreeing with the news media's agenda, that we are all idiots is very counter productive.
     
  6. Cosmoline

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    The media bias is as clear as it's ever been. The editors really want to keep pushing gun control. So every story is going to be twisted against us. I'm not sure what can be done to counter this. Obviously not being an idiot and having a ND at the gun show is a good start. But beyond that what are we going to do? They WANT us to stay quiet. They WANT us to be conciliatory and "reasonable."
     
  7. larryh1108

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    My post was to say we should not hide the fools who make us look bad. Hiding and/or denying they exist makes us all look bad, as a group. We need to educate and train so this does not happen as much as it does. Hiding or denying it exists it is the worst thing we can do, IMO.
     
  8. Shadow 7D

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    http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=697342

     
  9. OilyPablo

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    How about a LOT of people calling these editors out? Seems to actually work when I think back to a certain paper publishing a map with names and addresses..... most of the local written press is a reflection of the milktoast left they perceive their readers to be. They can and will back down if they hear otherwise. Especially in logical truthful presentations.

    It's CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC who may not change....and I think need to work on that one.
     
  10. Guy B. Meredith

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    We need to get the story turned around to recognize how many thousands were out with no harm.

    We are dealing with outright bigotry. People are too busy screaming at the NRA for having "blood on it's hands" to bother learning the real story. They don't look to see the diverse makeup of the NRA and its board.

    When the KKK was going around in white sheets lynching people they had the same attitude. That's what we're dealing with.

    We are being treated as statistics, not individuals.

    We need to aggressively break down stereotypes, perhaps through forced exposure to firearms activities, ads, whatever. When people start tossing around statistics we need to force them to realize that we as individuals don't fit those statistics but ARE being harmed, harassed and discriminated against because of those restrictions.
     
  11. jbrown50

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    Since this latest all out AWB push began after the Newtown tragedy, I've begun replying to the anti's ranting with the following questions:

    Is another gun law going to address the root causes of crime in our society such as lack of jobs, lack of education, lack of moral teaching, lack of emphasis on personal responsibility?

    Is another gun law going to address the lack of support for families who are trying to deal with a mentally ill loved one?

    How many times have you heard the news media insist that President Obama should do all he can to reinstate an assault weapons ban and close the gun show loophole? How many times have you heard them insist that he do something about the root causes of crime?
     
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    Now is the time for shooting enthusiasts to be on their best and most civil behavior.
     
  13. ZeSpectre

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    With all due respect I disagree. We've been polite and well behaved, I suspect that now it is time to be a bit...impertinent.
     
  14. larryh1108

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    We need to stand up and be counted. They need to know we won't go away just because they want us to.
     
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    I will lend these new outlets credibility when they report on stuff like this:

    THE MASS SCHOOL SHOOTING THAT DIDN’T HAPPEN: “In Tennessee, nut job tries to get his mass shooting on only to be shot dead by an armed school resource officer. Oddly, this story isn’t getting much press.”
     
  16. Guy B. Meredith

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    I agree it is time to be more aggressive. For instance I support the NRA ad about Obama and others sending their children to protected schools while making everyone else's gun free zones.

    There have been sreams about mentioning the President's children, but I think that allowing PC to set the ground rules gives Obama and cohorts control. We need to make it clear that PC is unacceptable and voice our opinions--read my signature line.

    One thing we need to continually attack is stereotypes. Put it right in their face that they are treating us no differently than the KKK treated black citizens in the past in that their approach is pure bigotry.

    I post links to videos of women in 3 gun with EBRs, SASS and anything else that shows us as a broader, civil group. I have been cautioned that anything that looks "evil" or too much testosterone may be used against us.

    In fact I ran across this on Youtube and have been mussing about some way of associating denial of ownership of semi auto military type firearms to the original Civil Rights fight. "Still trying to deny black freedoms" or some such--preferably a more coherent some such.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQIGdY5pfCA&playnext=1&list=PLF754283A692B43CA&feature=results_video
     
  17. justice06rr

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    In other news, the media failed to report all the fun and safe gun activity at gun ranges and LGS's nationwide.

    I'm pretty far from my state capital, so I joined the hundreds of fellow enthusiasts at the gun range. It was full to capacity, but no accidents happend! GASP!
     
  18. Manco

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    We still have to be careful about how we present ourselves, though--too aggressive a stance will frighten the public and make them run to their daddy, Obama. :barf:
     
  19. Gaffer

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    Well I did my part and it turned out very successful. I was the chief Ro at a Junior Rifle sectional match held in Maine. We had apx. 30 youths compete, over two whole days, and there were no accidents or incidents.
    These incidents at gun shows are not the norm and most likely are wanna be gun owners who are to stupid to check there guns before entering. Most gun shows have a check in table where guns brought to the show are examined and made to be safe before allowed entry.
    Just my two cents!
     
  20. Guy B. Meredith

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    For Gun Appreciation Day I went down to the range and spent a couple of hours in the Salem, Oregon area (actually Shedd) cold sorting out revolvers for competition and trying quick reloads for the M1 Garand (successfully) for action shooting.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JREo8FLjZug

    I didn't check the main range, but was surprised to find a private bay available. Based on what reports got out despite lack of news coverage, I guess quite a few club members may have been at the capitol building.

    I'm looking forward to see what develops for February 8.
     
  21. xfyrfiter

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    If we the people, would insist that the media report only the news, and zero spin, a lot of this bs would cease, but it wouldn't sell papers, so if it bleeds it leads.
     
  22. TwoEyedJack

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    I find myself getting more and more militant over time. I read a book a few years ago by G. Gordon Liddy, "When I was a kid, this was a free country". The freedoms we have give up have gotten us exactly nowhere. These brain dead statists insist on linking gun control to crime control when any rational analysis proves the opposite is true. They will never stop asking us to give up more freedom.

    The time for compromise has far passed. Like the song says, you've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything. I learned a few new words in the last month. Molon Labe. And that is all I have to say about that.
     
  23. joeschmoe

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    It's the Chickenlittle crowd.
    These are the same people who are so ignorant of how their government works they think Obama is going to "ban" these things through Executive Orders, or believe that Congress can or will take away their rights. Neither is true.

    They are acting like Chickenlittle.
     
  24. 6.5x55swedish

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    I think we do often hurt our own cause... look at all we do to get around the laws we have... Anybody see a slidefire stock? You want an assault on all semi-auto guns let some idiot walk into a school with a slidefire on a bushmaster....

    Tannerite is fun, but how many people remember the idiot who loaded a bunch of it up in a truck and blew the truck up with it? Shut down a local nuclear power plant because it's earthquake sensors felt the blast... Afterwards there was a huge push to get tannerite regulated.
     
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    I had the gunshow incidents tossed in my face today, right or wrong I asked how many guns in the US didn't shoot anybody that same day.
     
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