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Gun Owners Outraged as New Zealand Government Refuses to Pay Full Price

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Aim1, Jun 23, 2019.

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  1. FlSwampRat

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    Oh the tragic boat/blimp accidents!
     
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  2. ATLDave

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    I am shocked, shocked to discover that there is gambling rampant abuse of the rights of a minority going on in this democracy!
     
  3. Rule3

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    Well if Governments can pay millions for Left Handed Hammers, and spend Billions on development of new Military devices that go obsolete before they are completed and all the other money they waste, you expect them to pay top dollar for guns that will be melted down??

    Shocking I say just shocking.
     
  4. 351 WINCHESTER

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    It is extremely difficult, if not impossible, to sell guns on an International level unless you are a bonified dealer who knows the ropes. There are export/import licenses just to name two.
     
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  5. 460Shooter

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    I just feel bad for the gun owners. I had no doubt buy back prices would stink.

    It's unbelievable to me that so many people in this world have been convinced that when someone attacks you, that laying down arms is somehow a solution. People who vote for politicians that promote gun control are willingly tying on a blindfold , binding their hands, and trusting the government to keep them safe. They are allowing themselves to be disarmed for no logical or conceivable reason.

    Hail Hydra is the new world mentality.
     
  6. Demi-human

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    I'll pray, you go hide 'em, my Kiwi friends.
    I think you might need them soon...o_O

    Be strong. Think freedom.
     
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  7. jmorris

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    In their mind they are. How much would you pay to become a felon? If your law abiding, $0.00 is the correct answer. So your firearm is worthless and at least they are throwing you a bone, so to speak, by giving you any compensation for the loss of your arms and rights.
     
  8. ATLDave

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    The funny/sad thing is that conventional economics would suggest that paying full retail would be underpaying. Presumably, Joe bought his gun for $400 because he valued that gun more than he valued his $400. So even giving him all $400 for it is depriving him of value.
     
  9. George P

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    Governments SHOULD be toppled over by such acts....:thumbup:
     
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    ATLDave

    I believe Capt. Renault would be in complete agreement with this statement!
     
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  11. Odd Job

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    You can't look at NZ through American lenses. The two entities are not comparable.

    Like the UK and Australia, the Kiwi citizens are (and were) already disarmed a long time ago. For the ordinary citizen there is no self defense with a gun. There is no "good guy with a gun" amongst the neighbours.

    The subscriber base isn't there. If it was, self defense would be a viable reason for a firearms license in those territories.

    When the subscriber base is mainly concerned with hunting, sport and pest control, it's a lot easier to ban certain classes of weapons.

    It's not the government that's the problem.
    It's the lack of subscribers to all forms of gun ownership that is the problem.
     
  12. Demi-human

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    True, unfortunately...
     
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  13. edwardware

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    Sporting purposes be damned, the above is why we're armed.
     
  14. Labguy47

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    I would think that since they can’t afford to buy them that they would as a government set something up.
     
  15. Rembrandt

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    There is a parallel in history to illustrate how politicians have ripped off the public, of course in the best interest of the public and for their own good. Executive order confiscating gold in 1933, public was assured they would be reimbursed the equivalent value in paper currency......at $20 per ounce. After the gold was turned in the Federal Reserve raised the value to $35 an ounce.

    Executive_Order_6102.jpg
     
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    If the NZ government had any common sense and/or ethics, it would first research the average retail value (over the last 3 years) of the guns to be confiscated and pay the citizen that price, and allow for some wiggle room if the citizen can prove the gun is above average value, for whatever reason. I mean, how hard is that? The answer: it's not hard at all.

    This is another reason to never, ever trust big government.
     
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    6 inch works, I hear.
     
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    My friends in Australia told me that when their Government was doing the 'Buyback' in 1995(?) they were often paying prices much higher than market value. If a value was considered too low a number of selected people in the firearms trade were consulted to ascertain a correct amount.....this often happened with higher grade guns.
     
  19. Hokkmike

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    But wait, "gun control fanatics" and "lying grifters" is a double negative. (good post)
     
  20. George P

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    It's not just BIG government, it is government in general - unfortunately, a necessary evil whose powers need to be checked and curtailed often and with harsh punishment
     
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    Crooks and bureaucrats, but I repeat myself.
     
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    That should be the lesson for Americans. Too many people justify gun ownership in terms of hunting and sport shooting, pastimes that are on the decline. The core of the 2nd Amendment is a civil and political right (self defense and -- however theoretical -- defense against tyranny). You can't protect gun ownership, long term, by appealing to the Fudds. You have to increase the number who are actively using their guns for self defense. (I don't carry, but I see those who do as my allies, politically. As long as they don't carry openly, because that alienates the bystanders.) We need to have more legal, concealed carrying among minority communities.
     
  23. Ignition Override

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    The jokes about "boating accidents"---

    Doesn't a govt. which might have had the vast majority of "legal guns" on a registry Know when a gun is sold, otherwise it still is listed as being in the owner's possession?
     
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    Unless it’s resting comfortably at the bottom of a fjord
     
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    A government agent can't prosecute without evidence that the one time owner is in possession of said contraband. (caveat, unless it's unlawful to not report boating accidents) ;) At which point tyranny raises to the level of outright abuse, said unfound contraband presents itself, presumably pointed at said tyranny.
     
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