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Everyone on this forum knows about the atrocities that the governments of the Brits, Aussies, Canucks, Chinese and Japanese have heeped on their citizenry by depriving them of most of their God-given rights to protect themselves. What about the other countries on the face of the earth?

Do any citizens have any rights to own and use firearms?
 
Australia has firearm ownership. New Zealand too, IIRC. Switzerland, of course is one fine example.

I'll find a good thread from a while ago where a lot of good information was compiled. brb

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I don't know where it might be, but someone here once linked to, or attached a very comprehensive table with tons of information on every country where ownership is known.

Anyway, here's the search results from the word 'countries' in the title.

http://www.thehighroad.org/search.php?searchid=7065327

There is plenty of information in these threads alone.
 
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In Germany, it's difficult to get a carry permit unless you can demonstate a real need. Just being able to own a firearm requires a license for each gun.
 
Worth knowing is items like: The poster for the movie "Wanted" was banned in the UK because it glamorizes guns

In Germany they just banned laser tag and paintball beacause it trains people to be mass murderers.

feel free to google those.
 
Just remember that all the countries that you mentioned, except for the mainland Chinese, are democratic countries where the government does what either their people want them to do or will let them get away with. That means you can't blame their governments but the people themselves.
 
Theoretically in Canada, we do have the right to bear arms as it's in the English Bill of Rights which is part of our constitution. However, people tend to ignore that. Actually, in terms of obtaining a firearm......it's really not that difficult. Take the safety course and apply for the license, which is normally granted assuming you're not some ex-con or a psychopath. Join a range or a club, apply for an authorization to transport. Go to the gun store and buy what you want.....might take up to a week or so before you take possession of it, depending on if the store has to order it in.
 
Switzerland is as good as or slightly better the best US states regarding ownership.. No SBR's, no caliber limit, no ammount limit, full-auto available through special permit (tax) but register not closed..

Carrying is another matter.. we mainly lost it in 1999 when the law became federal.. Now you need to "proove" you "need" a gun to pass the carry permit.. that means, only the rich, politically connected, and the unlucky life threatened get it.. SUCKS BIG TIME..
 
from JellyJar (post #5) :
Just remember that all the countries that you mentioned, except for the mainland Chinese, are democratic countries... you can't blame their governments but the people themselves.

I see your point, JellyJar. I don't really agree with it because even in this country, we have politicians who "color the truth" and leave out what they don't want you to know about a bill up for a vote. Iknow, I know..... can that be true?!? Could our own U.S. Senators & Reps do that???:what:

Short answer : "Yes." And they do. And gullible people vote for them and think they're great. And anti-gun liberals pass bills that take away one right after another w/o most voters knowing or caring.


from CoRoMo (post #2) :
Australia has firearm ownership. New Zealand too,

Short answer to that is : "Very, very, very tightly restricted." You have to have one license to own a single-shot or dbl. shotgun, a much more restrictive license to own a rifle, and handgun licenses are almost nonexistant.
 
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Theoretically in Canada, we do have the right to bear arms as it's in the English Bill of Rights which is part of our constitution. However, people tend to ignore that. Actually, in terms of obtaining a firearm......it's really not that difficult. Take the safety course and apply for the license, which is normally granted assuming you're not some ex-con or a psychopath. Join a range or a club, apply for an authorization to transport. Go to the gun store and buy what you want.....might take up to a week or so before you take possession of it, depending on if the store has to order it in.
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To you "it's really not that difficult", and I respectfully understand that is the norm there. To those living in many other countries who cannot own a firearm it probably sounds wonderful. To myself, a U.S. citizen, it sounds like you are jumping through numerous hoops to exercise that right. It may appear that those of us in the U.S. have been spoiled by the ease in which we can (lawfully) attain firearms. We can thank our fore-fathers. We do not want that opportunity to disappear as it has in other countries.
cjl8651, I don't know your age, but I respectfully ask if you can remember a time in your life when obtaining a gun did not require a citizen of Canada to:

Take the safety course and apply for the license, which is normally granted assuming you're not some ex-con or a psychopath. Join a range or a club, apply for an authorization to transport. Go to the gun store and buy what you want.....

I'm just curious if you have seen restrictive changes in the process in your lifetime.
Thank you.
 
The Philippines allows gun ownership. There are a lot of hoops to jump through however, I don't remember exactly what the requirements are, but there are a lot of licensing processes that are rather expensive. Furthermore, there are multiple license types, a license to own, license to take to the range, and a license to carry, which is only a yearly license if I remember correctly.

Funny thing is, unlicensed firearms are so incredibly common because of these issues, that there is an amnesty law for previously unlicensed firearms to be registered without any penalty for being possessed. While fully automatic weapons are technically illegal and restricted only to military/LE, the amnesty act has no restrictions, so you can register an automatic firearm for your own use that way.
 
Just remember that all the countries that you mentioned, except for the mainland Chinese, are democratic countries where the government does what either their people want them to do or will let them get away with.........................

If it were only that simple!
 
In the U.K. all handguns are banned except Long Barrelled Revolvers (LBR in .357 and .44 mag and .22) and muzzle-loading pistols/revolvers.

Semi-auto centrefire guns are banned except .22 rimfire. You can still own traditional semi-autos like AK47, AR15 etc but they must have the semi auto-function disabled and reconfigured to a straight-pull arrangement whereby you have to manually pull back the bolt to eject and reload a shell from the mag.

Everything else is okay from .17 to .50 cal so long as you can show good reason and have secure storage (gunsafe). Typically good reason would be target shooting, hunting and pest control. There are no restrictions on mag size. All guns except air guns have to be held on a Firearms Licence (FAC), which are issued by the local Police Force.

You can own as many shotguns as you like including pump and semi but there is a mag restriction placed on these. Shotguns require a Shotgun Licence, which again, are issued by the local Police Force.

You can’t own a gun for self-defence because the Police are there to protect you:rolleyes:
 
ALL other countries are frogs in the warming water,

simply because their respective Constitutions do not have a written amendment and / or because they are (parliamentary) democracies, and not democratic republics. In sum, it is too easy to invoke majority rule.

This is not a "putdown" to Canadians, UK residents, or whoever--it is a legal distinction. "Traditions" are too easily trampled by majorities and governments seeking ever and ever greater control.

Go to work on that issue, you guys in other countries. Join up with a RTKBA local / national group--it'll be a long haul, but your guarantee to have firearms depends on it.

Jim H.
 
i read, in a news paper (validity obviously questionable), that prior to the Iraq/U.S. war, firearms rights were basically unmolested there. the article showed a photo of a roadside tent/booth where a man was offering repair service for AK's and it looked like he was offering several for sale.
 
Pre-U.S./Iraq war : Firearms rights were basically unmolested there. The article showed a photo of a roadside tent/booth where a man was offering repair service for AK's and it looked like he was offering several for sale.

That was one area in the world that I was curious about - the Middle East and some of the African nations. I know little about their gun laws concerning the private citizen's right to own, carry and use various weapons.
 
Many other nations in the world have firearm privileges for some portions of the population.
With the type of firearms allowed or realistically available to the average greatly varying.

Requirements for ownership can include:

Belonging to a club with a monthly fee for X number of months.

Ownership of license A (single shot or double barreled shotgun for example) for Y amount of time before being able to apply for ownership of license B (handgun, or semi auto etc).

Approval of a storage area, with increasing requirements for different types of firearms. Including a government agent coming into the home to inspect the storage to verify it meets the legally mandated requirements. Which may include being bolted the the foundation, or being so many thousands of pounds. With associated costs and fees.
Meaning people in apartment buildings, trailer parks, or other lower income housing options are less apt to qualify. Someone cannot really bolt a safe to the foundation of a multi-story apartment building.)

X number of people willing to vouch for you.

Providing a valid need the government feels is acceptable to own a firearm or various types of firearms, with self defense often unacceptable.

Requirements to store the firearm locked up, disassembled, and unloaded in an unusable state, while not engaged in or in route to valid sporting uses.

Self defense is often completely separate from firearms ownership or use. Not being a legitimate reason for ownership. It may be perfectly legal to own X firearm, but only for hunting. Keeping it unlocked in the home, assembled in working condition, or especially loaded, being a crime. Which means if one does manage to defend themselves, even in their home, having had a firearm readily available for use may prove they violated the law, subjecting them to charges and prison time separate for whatever they get for the use of the force itself. While being able to assemble and load a legally stored firearm may prove they could have fled in less time without a need to harm the home invader.

In the end many of the requirements work to keep firearms out of the hands of the lower income people in society. The very segment where both most of the criminals and most of the victims of violent crime (who need to defend themselves more often) come from.
Even more importantly to a government, where the largest number of unhappy people will be from, and the greatest danger of revolt or other problems will stem from. The source of dissidents.
Where a government wants to be able to move in and crush the disarmed unhappy peasants with force when deemed necessary, which is easier if they do not have things like firearms.

So the restrictions most places are primarily designed to limit firearm ownership to those with a higher income, patience to go through the more extensive process, and who are the least likely to pose any risk to the government and its armed men. People who have a lot to lose, and are less inclined to be a problem.
Of course most of the legislation is passed under the guise of solving other problems which are more politically correct.



While in the USA under the Constitution the RKBA was a birth right of all Americans. Even more radical and unique it was actually intended from the start to be a threat to the government as a balance on power and a deterrent to tyranny.
(Not for sports, hunting, or even self defense from common thugs. Activities which were considered so normal at the time in the colonies that became the USA they didn't warrant a constitutional protection. While the reason for the 2nd was radical at the time and so had to be stated within the document.)
 
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The law relating to firearms in the British Isles

C:\Documents and Settings\Owner.YOUR-99DDF15D27\My Documents\Gun laws in the british isles.HTM

Go to the link above to see the entire article.
Only part of it is posted below.



Great Britain - overview
The law in GB relating to firearms is a five-tier system of control:

1) Unregulated guns - those not subject to any restriction, which includes toy guns, replica guns, blank-firing only guns, antique guns (kept as a curio or ornament only) and deactivated guns (although possession in a public place of most of these requires a "reasonable excuse");

2) Firearms not requiring a license - essentially pistols powered by compressed air or carbon dioxide with a muzzle energy of 6 ft/lb or less or rifles powered by compressed air or carbon dioxide with a muzzle energy of 12 ft/lb or less. These types of firearms can only be possessed without supervision (by a person aged 21 or older) by a person aged 17 or older (with certain limited exceptions for sporting use, and for pest control by people aged 14 or older), or acquired by a person aged 17 or older who is not prohibited from owning firearms. There are an estimated 4 million such guns in Great Britain.

3) Firearms requiring a Shotgun Certificate - shotguns require such a certificate. A shotgun is defined as any smoothbore barrelled firearm with a barrel length of at least 24 inches, and which has no magazine or a non-detachable magazine incapable of holding more than two cartridges, and is not a revolver gun and has no barrel with a calibre of more than 2 inches.

Application for a Shotgun Certificate is made to the local Chief Officer of Police. The police must be satisfied that no good reason exists for refusing the grant of a certificate, and that the applicant is not a person prohibited from possessing firearms (generally, a person of intemperate habits or unsound mind, or a person who has been imprisoned for more than three months in the last five years or who has ever been imprisoned for more than three years).

The police will inspect the applicant's storage to make sure that it is secure. Certificates are granted with certain prescribed conditions, the main one being that the guns to which they relate must be kept securely.

A Shotgun Certificate entitles the holder to acquire as many shotguns as he pleases, provided they are kept securely. The police must be notified of all transactions in shotguns. Shotgun cartridges, other than slug ammunition and very large shot (which require an FAC), can be acquired with a Shotgun Certificate, though possession is unregulated.

A Shotgun Certificate is valid for five years and the application fee is £50 (about US$75). Applications must be countersigned by a person of "good standing" and accompanied by four photographs of the applicant.

There are currently about 620,000 Shotgun Certificates on issue in Great Britain.

4) Firearms requiring a Firearm Certificate (FAC) - All remaining types of firearm require an FAC, though many also require the authority of the Secretary of State (see below). There are certain exemptions from the FAC requirement, such as for use of a club gun by a member of a firearms club, or use of a miniature rifle on a miniature rifle range.

Application for a FAC is made to the local Chief Officer of Police. An applicant must show "good reason" for each firearm he wishes to possess. Generally accepted good reasons include: target shooting, pest control, deer stalking and collecting. Self-defence or personal protection is not considered a good reason in Great Britain.

An applicant for an FAC for target shooting must be a member of a firearms club approved by the Home Office, and have completed a 3-month probation. This club is called the "primary club" and is specified on the FAC. Applications for other reasons must generally be supported by evidence of the stated "good reason". Application is made on Form 101. Applicants must nominate two referees to support their application. In the case of a renewal of an FAC held for the purpose of target shooting, one referee must be an official of the primary club.

Before an FAC is granted, the police will inspect the applicant's security to make sure it is secure. Usually, the police require separate lockable safes for the guns and ammunition, securely affixed to the residence of the applicant.

Unlike a Shotgun Certificate, ammunition must also be authorised by the FAC, and maximum permitted quantities for acquisition and possession are stated on the FAC (handloading is legal in GB - ammunition components are unregulated).

A Firearm Certificate is valid for five years and the application fee is £50 (about US$75). Renewals are £40. Applicants must be at least 14 years of age to possess firearms or 17 to acquire firearms other than as a gift.

If the holder wishes to dispose of or acquire firearms to which his certificate relates, the FAC must be varied by the police. A fee is payable when the FAC holder wishes to vary his certificate to acquire more firearms than his FAC currently allows. The variation fee is £26.

There are currently about 135,000 FACs on issue in Great Britain.

5) Prohibited weapons - prohibited weapons additionally require the authority of the Secretary of State as well as an FAC or registered firearm dealer's certificate (RFD). Prohibited weapons include:

i) "Small firearms" - any firearm with an overall length of less than 60cm or a barrel length of less than 30cm excluding any movable stock and not including muzzle-loading guns or flare guns;

ii) Any firearm or ammunition which expels a noxious substance (e.g. gas or pepper spray) or "other thing" (such as a stun gun or Taser);

iii) Any self-loading or pump-action rifled gun other than one chambered for .22 rimfire cartridges;

iv) Armour-piercing, incendiary and "expanding" ammunition, although collectors are exempt and there are other exemptions to the prohibition on expanding ammunition, such as for pest control use and deer stalking (but not target shooting);

v) Machineguns, rocket or grenade launchers, mortars, exploding ammunition etc.;

vi) Any pump-action or self-loading smoothbore gun with an overall length less than 40 inches or a barrel length of less than 24 inches, excluding any movable stock and any smoothbore revolver gun except those loaded from the muzzle end or chambered for 9mm rimfire cartridges;

vii) Air guns that use self-enclosed air cartridges (this provision contains a limited grandfathering clause for people who owned them prior to the prohibition in 2003, that allows only possession to continue).

There are about 400 authorities for prohibited weapons on issue in GB - most relate to RFDs for the purpose of dealing in them, principally to people who hold one of the exemptions mentioned below (there are only five FACs on issue with prohibited weapons authority).

There are several statutory exemptions to the ban on "small firearms" - including war trophies acquired prior to 1946; slaughtering instruments; firearms for use for humane destruction of animals; firearms for use by race starters; firearms for veterinary use; shot pistols for pest control in .410" or 9mm rimfire; firearms collectors provided the guns were made prior to 1919 and are not in a commonly available calibre; and firearms of historic importance (due to their rarity, use in an historic event, aesthetic qualities etc.) which must be kept at a "designated site", such as Bisley National Shooting Centre, the Barbican Armoury in Durham, or the Wednesbury Marksmen gun club.
 
Pakistan CCW

Saturday, November 19, 2005
Licencees can carry concealed arms
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2005\11\19\story_19-11-2005_pg7_13
Pakistan Daily Times newspaper
LAHORE: Holders of valid arms licences are lawfully entitled to keep and carry their weapons for self-protection in a concealed manner. On reports of harassment of licence holders by personnel of law enforcement agencies, Daily Times inquired from the Home Department on Friday about the issue and learnt that the notification issued in November 2000 was intact. The notification stated that licence holders complying with the law and not displaying their weapons should not be harassed. A confusion had arisen in view of the ban imposed by the Interior Ministry on March 1, 2000, and the imposition of Section-144 on displaying and carrying of weapons and ammunition on whether the license holders could carry their licensed weapons and if so, in what manner? According to the notification, the license holders are entitled to carry their weapons lawfully but in a concealed manner. The notification also stated that the ban on display of weapons would not be applicable to hunting parties subject to the grant of permission by the Punjab forestry, wildlife and fisheries departments. The notification said that hunting parties and individuals would be allowed to display and use non-prohibited bore shotguns and rifles for hunting purposes only. anjum herald gill
 
Interesting article on carrying firearms through a UK airport

Interesting article on carrying firearms through a UK airport, on the Volokh conspiracy:
http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2006_01_22-2006_01_28.shtml#1138078654

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British Gun Controls -- and the quasi-independence of some small islands: I recently received this article from an overseas friend, and received permission to post it. It does not exist anywhere else on the Web. The article details the experience of a competitive handgun shooter from the Isle of Man who was returning from a competition in the Channel Island of Jersey, and had to pass through a London airport. Following the shooter's tale of woe, I explain how it is possible that handguns are legal in the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man, even though they are banned in the United Kingdom.

How Irrational Fears of Inanimate Objects Divert Resources & Delay ‘Planes

by John Partington, Isle of Man Pistol Team Member

Flying back from the Commonwealth Shooting Federation (European Division) Championships in Jersey in May 2003 we, the Isle of Man Shooting Team, had to change ‘planes at London Gatwick Airport. What should have been a straightforward exercise in which all our checked luggage would be transferred automatically to our next ‘plane, as per the tags attached in Jersey, became a highly-stressed, worrying farce in which the comic element only became apparent some (considerable) time later.

As our pistols are illegal in England, all the gun and ammunition boxes were dealt with very carefully when we booked in at Jersey Airport. They should have stayed airside at Gatwick and been transferred direct to the Isle of Man ‘plane. Unfortunately, as we were going through the luggage pick-up Hall, there on the carousel were our 3 cases with big Firearms stickers plastered all over them and 2 more boxes clearly marked Ammunition. Just going round and round.

We informed Customs that we needed someone to take charge of the boxes as, if we touched them in England, we would be committing a serious firearms offence (illegal firearm possession is liable to a sentence of 14 years). I showed Customs our 3 IoM Firearm Certificates. The Customs office gave me permission to collect all 5 cases and take them to be X-rayed and checked in. When I put the boxes through the X-ray, the operator informed me that there were guns in the cases and they should not be there. This valuable new information was, of course, a great help! The operator then ‘phoned the senior Customs officer and the Armed Response police unit. The police arrived first and told the operator that there was no problem as they had been notified in advance and, as far as they were concerned, everything was in order. Then a senior Customs officer re-checked all the paperwork and the serial numbers that had already been checked in Jersey, then added a security sticker to each case to prove they had been through Security.

By now time was running out, but we had been effectively forced to enter England with our guns and now had to locate and reach the check-in desk for the Isle of Man flight.

I had the unique experience of an armed escort: one policeman in front of me and one behind. One of the policemen decided that there was no time for the lift so, with a forceful, “We will use the escalator. Follow me!”, he was off at a trot. "Stand back!" he shouted as we raced up the escalator, two steps at a time (with me as the filling in a Police sandwich), "Make way, make way!". I pulled both my Achilles tendons trying to keep up with this super-fit escort team.

Eventually, in pain and out of breath, I reached the Check-in desk.

“What's in the cases marked firearms?”, asked the gentleman at the desk.

Me - a gasped “Guns”.

Check-in - “We will need to check them”.

Me – “But that was done 5 minutes ago, coming in”.

Check-in – “That is not my responsibility. I have to make sure that everything going out is in order”.

Me – “The cases have been sealed with Security stickers and it is plain to see that they have not been broken”. At this point there was an announcement on the Airport Tannoy system, calling me to go to Departure immediately as the ‘plane was ready to depart, which I drew to the attention of the gentleman at the Check-in desk. At my request he then made a ‘phone call to hold the ‘plane.

Check-in – “You have pistols in these cases”, he informed me (this was, of course, a frightful surprise to both the police and myself).

Me – “That is why the police are here”.

Check-in - “I need to check that all the numbers are correct … ”.

When I eventually limped to my seat, my colleagues, long sitting comfortably in theirs, had already seen a funny side that, sadly, eluded me for several days.

Results?

Flight held up for 15 minutes at one of the busiest Airports in the world; several Police and Customs officers diverted for an hour or so from looking for NON-DECLARED contraband, or wanted persons, or some other useful activity; 2 strained tendons and a month’s quota of worry.

Postscript

… and that wasn’t the end of the story. When we reached the Isle of Man, a pistol box with 3 pistols and a rifle box with 2 rifles, were both missing. Inevitably this led to many ‘phone calls, discussions with airline and security staff – and a great deal of worry. A day later, they turned up, but without any explanation. Perhaps the spitting cobras had gone for a walk.

[Back to Dave from here on:]

How did it come to be that the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man (in the Irish Sea) are not subject to the handgun prohibition enacted by the Parliament of the United Kingdom, at the urging of Prime Minister Tony Blair?

The answer is that the Jersey and the Isle of Man are not part of the United Kingdom. They are dependencies of the British crown, but they have no representation in the U.K.’s Parliament, and U.K. laws do not apply to the islands’ internal affairs. (Although such laws could theoretically be imposed by the Queen’s Governor-in-Council, they almost never are.)

Before the Norman Conquest of England, Jersey was ruled by the Plantagenet family of Normandy, which also ruled other parts of France. William the Conqueror (the Norman king) took over England in 1066. The Plantagenet family (and the other families which succeeded them on the English throne), eventually lost all of their old pre-1066 possessions—except for the Channel Islands. Although the wicked King John lost Normandy in 1204, Jersey and the other Channel Islands stayed local to the British crown, in exchange of guarantees of great local autonomy. The islands changed hands several times between England and France, giving the Islanders leverage to continue to insist on autonomy in exchange for fealty. (There are are some other islands in the Channel which are part of France, and others--the Isle of Wight and the Scilly Islands--which are part of the United Kingdom. "Channel Islands" is a term which applies only to the semi-independent islands.)

The Channel Islands now have two entirely separate, self-governing Bailiwicks. The Bailiwick of Jersey (one inhabited island and two uninhabited ones) and the Bailiwick of Guernsey (seven inhabited islands).

So the Channel Islands recognize themselves to be governed by Queen Elizabeth, but not, in internal matters, by Tony Blair. They rely on the U.K. for defense and for many external affairs issues, but do have the authority to communicate officially directly with foreign governments.

How do Channel Island gun laws differ from those of the U.K.? Derek Bernard, a pistol shooter from Jersey, explains:


Guernsey does not allow self-loading, centre fire rifles; Jersey does. Guernsey copied the UK 1988 Act [a ban on such guns] in this regard in the mid-90s. Guernsey, through the huge, almost unconstrained power of being able to add “conditions” to Firearm Certificates, rather than through statute, prevents the storage of ammunition at home and introduced a bureaucratic nonsense whereby the Certificate-holders who cannot be trusted to hold the ammunition at home, issue it to each other at the designated storage site. This adds considerable bureaucracy to the process of shooters travelling to away matches. It also prevents home loading, which would be critical if there were many active centre fire pistol shooters left; but, since the few that are left seem “happy” to use factory ammo, it doesn’t seem to cause much heartache. In Jersey, home storage and home loading are allowed within the specific quantities on the Certificate. For some years Jersey authorities have normally granted whatever quantities have been requested. The awful power to add conditions is universal in all 8 jurisdictions in the British Isles.

In Guernsey the licensing authority is the Police force, as in the UK. In Jersey, the Connetable (Mayor) of each of the 12 Parishes, is the licensing authority, but they will normally follow any recommendation of the Police that may be made with the report on criminal record. The Guernsey Licence has to be renewed every 3 years; the Jersey every 5 years.

Guernsey has adopted the UK approach to airguns: outside the Certificate and registration systems, providing rifles have muzzle energies below 12ft/lb and pistols below 6ft/lb. In Jersey everything above "soft air" toys is on Certificate and subject to registration. Until a few years ago Jersey regarded even soft air toys as firearms, which meant that their lawful importation, sale and possession was effectively impossible. Largely as a result the relatively new sport of Field Target air rifle shooting flourishes in Guernsey, but failed to get off the ground in Jersey. Guernsey police "approve" an individual applicant’s security arrangements. This used to be the effective situation in Jersey, but since the 2000 Law makes it clear that it is the certificate-holder’s responsibility to take precautions to prevent unauthorised possession, this inspection has ceased. I am not aware of a prosecution of a certificate-holder for inadequate security since the new Law came in. But in 2002/3 the Jersey Police probably spent about £500,000 searching out technical trivia and prosecuting about 25 people for e.g. Certificates that haven’t been renewed in time.


The Isle of Man also appears to have a status by which it is not subject to U.K. laws for domestic affairs. The Isle of Man was ruled by a Norwegian family until 1275, after that by the Scottish crown, and not until 1765 by the U.K.

It is home to the world’s oldest continuously operating parliament, the Tynwald, which has held the sovereignty since 979 a.d. The Tynwald is composed of the Legislative Council (upper house, 10 members; most elected indirectly, plus some ex officio) and the House of Keys (directly elected lower house, 24 members).

"[A]lthough English law does not extend to the Isle of Man, the Manx legal system is based on the principles of English common law," Wikipedia explains.

As in many Commonwealth nations, the legal but rare, course for an appeal of a judicial decision in the Isle of Man is to the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council in London. Within the Isle of Man itself, the High Court judges of the Isle are known as “Deemsters” (a Viking-era term).

I am not familiar with the details of the Manx gun laws, other than the fact that handguns have not been prohibited.

Commenters are welcome to share additional information about the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man, in regards to government status, and gun laws.
 
gun laws Greece

I did not write any of the info below. I came across it some time ago and saved for future use. I have nop idea how accurate it is.

I am definetely not a lawyer, so do not expect to hear exact legal terms and articles here. All I can offer is this : In Greece, the laws that govern the possession and use of firearms are quite dated. As a result, they consider an 1821 muzzle-loaded firearm to be a ... firearm etc. This can make a lot of Greek citizens outlaws, simply because somewhere in the basement, they might have a rusted 1821 muzzleloader, which if ever fired, will probably blow up on your face. Anyway, let's concentrate at more practical things.

There are generally two ways that one can legally get a gun in Greece.

One is, if your life is in danger, due to your job, social status or functionality, or if you have some good friends in the right places. In that case, you can easily obtain, what is known as a Concealed Self-Protection Carrying Permit (let's call it CSCP, for short). This permit allows you to have only one gun and a very limited amount of cartridges (30 or usually less). Now, if you are allowed to have 30 rounds, you can only fire, let's say half of them for practice. How can a person be trusted to protect his own life with so little practice is of course beyond my comprehension.

The second reason that entitles you to own a firearm, is to be an athlete in a shooting sport. This permit allows you to have more than one guns (usually a 0.22 LR, a 0.32 or 0.38 or 9mm, etc) in order to be able to participate in the corresponding shooting matches. In order to get such a permit, you must be a member of an athletic shooting club for several months, and to have participated in several matches (using either your friend's guns or your clubs guns, if they have any). The club is responsible for supplying you with cartridges you need for your practice sessions and your participation in shooting matches. Of course, this permit does not allow you to carry your gun(s) on yourself. You are only allowed to transport you guns in bags or suitcases to and from the shooting range. For those interested to know I have this kind of permit.

The interesting thing is that in either case, if something happens and you are forced to use your legally owned guns to protect yourself, you are facing a very difficult and tragic situation, from which you will be lucky if you loose only your permit. You will be accused of homicide, manslaughter or what have you, and it will be months before you are cleared by a court of law. In the meantime your family may be ruined, because you might be held in prison, as if YOU were the criminal.

There are some other things that you should know concerning gun ownership in Greece. First of all, you are responsible to protect them. That sounds rational, but then if someone breaks into your house and goes after your guns, how are you going to deter him, if you are not allowed to use them?

Second, there are some areas in Greece, like Crete and Mani, where guns are not that restricted. That does not come from these areas having different legislation that the rest of the country. It is more of a customary habit than anything else, which however is endorsed by some politicians.

Third, having an illegal arm is not a good idea at all. Consider first that if found, you are facing serious charges and will probably spend some time in jail. That is, if you are lucky and your gun proved to be clear. Now if someone had performed a robbery with your gun, before you acquired it, you can spend the rest of your life trying to explain that you are not the bank robber or something similar.

Fourth, don't ever show your gun off. Apart from being illegal, you risk being robbed by someone who saw your gun and liked the idea of having it.
 
Actually, Mexican's CAN get carry permits.

I did not write any of the info below.

Info on Mexico
Added by [email protected] on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 @ 01:42 PM
Slider & All,
Actually, Mexican's CAN get carry permits.
I have posted this info before - here is the old link:

http://www.packing.org/news/article.jsp/10166

A couple of folks that say they are lawyers in Mexico responded - perhaps they would be up for serving as contacts.

Here is the text of what I posted before:

To start, most of what folks here claim as fact - is misinformation if not simply wrong. Mexico's gun laws are fairly similar to NYC's - but better in some ways!

Here is some general info:

- There is only one legal gun store in Mexico: http://www.sedena.gob.mx/fabricas/servicios/ucam.htm

You can ask them questions at this email address: [email protected] Most guns that are sold legally are sold through private sales. There are no background checks for these sales and pretty much anyone can legally buy/own guns. All guns must be registered with the local army base.

There is only the one gun store I mentioned before, the Unidad de Comercialización de Armamento y Municiones (UCAM for short), which is located in Mexico City.

That said, there is also at least one "intermediary" which claims to be able to help you get guns from UCAM more quickly and easily. These folks have a website where you can see some of the guns available from UCAM, with prices: http://www.laarmeria.com.mx/ - hey, they got Glocks we cannot even legally buy in the USA!

Here is the website for a gunsmith in Mexico, they also sell ammunition: http://www.armasdefuego.com.mx

Here is a website that folks in Mexico use for private party sales: http://www.enlamira.com.mx/index.php

All or virtually all Mexican gun laws are federal and handled by the Mexican Military agency, the Secretaria De La Defensa Nacional (SEDENA): http://www.sedena.gob.mx

The general SEDENA webpage of interest is here: http://www.sedena.gob.mx/servicios/rfa/index.html

Here is the Ley Federal de Armas de Fuego y Explosivos: http://www.sedena.gob.mx/servicios/rfa/lfafyce.htm - this is pretty much all of their gun laws and is pretty short, esp. compared to the thousands of gun laws we have in the US. I have this in book form also.

Caliber restrictions:

Generally, Mexicans are legally limited to handguns (pistolas) .380 or .38 caliber or smaller, shotguns (escopetas) 12 gauge or smaller, and rifles (same spelling but said differently) that are not common military calibers such as .223, 7.62, 30-30,30-06,.308, etc.

However exceptions are made to these caliber restrictions for "registered sports shooters" - members of recognized hunting and shooting clubs.

Registration: Required of all guns and done at the local army base - every sizeable town has one.

CCW: Legal, extremely restricted and discretionary. The situation seems to be similar to NYC. I am not sure about caliber restrictions for CCW but I believe that if you legally own the pistol and have a Mexican CCW permit, than you can carry what you want. I believe the permits specify what Mexican states you can carry in. I think that only Mexican citizens can get CCW permits but am not certain. I will check on these issues.
So while it is bad, it's still better than parts of California, DC, Chicago and much of the world.

Also, I am told that according to official numbers as of March 8, 2005 there are currently 569,178 registered handguns and 2,246 permits to carry concealed firearms in Mexico.

Carrying without a permit: I am told that many otherwise law-abiding Mexicans own & carry guns illegally - just like many good folks do here in the US in places like Chicago, DC, etc. Good for them - self defense is our human, some would say "God-given" right and a natural law!

On a related note, I should add that that the Mexican constitution guarantees Mexican citizens right to own and use guns in defense of their homes - again, that's a lot better than parts of the US and world.

Crime & Safety: Yes, it is pretty bad in some areas. That said, I personally feel just as safe, or more so, in most of the areas I have been to in Mexico as I do in most areas of the US. Violent crime generally seems to be no more of an issue in most areas of Mexico than it is in the US. It really depends on where you are, and how much common sense you use.

Citizenship requirements for gun ownership or use: I need to research this more, but it appears that generally only Mexican citizens are allowed to own guns in Mexico. There are exceptions, primarily for hunting guns temporarily imported.

Police corruption: The stories seem to be largely true though no worse than many cops in the US. The cops in Mexico are not paid all that well, so apparently many choose to pick up some money "on the side". Just like cops in the US, many Mexican cops often do not know the laws.
You do have legal rights and I am told that cops often back off when you assert these. It helps to have copies of relevant laws on you and the number of your lawyer memorized - same as in the US.
Personally, I've had no problems with Mexican cops so far. I have seen and experienced a fair amount of harassment from cops in the US, as well as seen and experienced US cops abusing their power and discretion. Cops are just people anywhere you go, some are corrupt and/or abuse their power - some are not and do not.

Body guard and/or Boat permits: I have not heard about this but it seems likely... The boat permits are probably limited to "sporting" type long-guns in the less restricted calibers. "dmh77y" Can you provide any more information on this? on Saturday, May 7, 2005 at 4:25 PM

Taking guns into Mexico: This is legal with the right paperwork and fairly common - but seems to be mostly, maybe only, for hunting type guns, with a licensed hunting guide, etc.

Here a few more points of interest.

First, please note that I am not a lawyer in the US, un abogado en Mexico or otherwise pretending to offer you "legal advice" - I am stating what my understanding of the laws are.

Please ask me about anything I have not covered. If I do not know the answer, I will ask friends in Mexico and try to get it for you!

While there is only the UCAM gun store and very few gunsmiths, there are a number of stores that sell hunting or shooting related gear and less commonly, ammunition. I will have to check on what is required to buy the ammo.

Provided everything else is legal and you are in the presence of the guns owner, you are allowed to shoot guns in Mexico without any permit, etc.

This is a website folks in Mexico use for private party sales: http://www.enlamira.com.mx/index.php

Provided everything else is legal and you are in the presence of the guns owner, you are allowed to shoot guns in Mexico without any permit, etc.

Overall, I am told that there are currently 1.5 million registered and legally owned firearms in Mexico. For unregistered/"illegal" guns, it is said there are at least 10 times that number.

Transportation permits are required any time you want to move a secured and unloaded firearm and I am told that they are fairly easy to obtain. The permits are issued by SEDENA for hunting, shooting, competing, and when you move to another house.

The permits seem to be valid for a year and are issued for as much as 10 firearms, and there seem to be 3 types of the transport permits:

- Shooting practice: Only allows you transport from your home to the range you are a member of, for any day.

- Shooting competition: Allows transport from your home to an authorized national competition. It is only valid for 5 states that you choose.

- Hunting: Allows transport from your home to an authorized hunting ranch, also only valid for 5 states of your choice. I am not sure if the last 2 types have to be for states with adjoining borders but I assume that this is the case.

That is all I have for now folks!
 
Wikipedia is your friend:Czech Republic ;)

shortly: You have to be sport club member if you are 15 and want sport shooting licence, and so you need your parents permition, then you can buy any B or C class gun but you cannot carry it loaded.
You have to be student od forestry highschool if you are 16 to get hunting licence. no CCW
You are 18: no club/school/parents permition required, still no CCW.
21: CCW licence "shall issue".

"A class guns" = Full auto guns - with "exception of law" but extraordinary hard to get, thought not impossible.
"B class guns" = handguns (even luparas) pump shotguns and semiauto rifles - requires "shall issue" permission to buy.
"C class guns" = rifles, shotguns, longer .22lr handguns, percusion revolvers - buy and register.
"D class guns" = airguns, flobert, historical (made before 1890), muzzleloaders - free to buy.

Therefore there are only about 330 000 licennces and +- 230 000 of them are with CCW permission.
Slovakia is kinda similar.

BTW: I'v just read that possesion of illegal firearm wasn't crime in communist Czechoslovakia - you were fined and gun was taken, but no jail, no note in "crime register" etc...
 
The law is also more complicated than what is official in many parts of the world.

In some parts of the world they outlaw things they expect the average person to do, and then through discretion do not usually enforce that law.
Some laws are expected to be broken, and some are held up unconditionally, and you have to be a local to know the difference.

For example in a rural village in some parts of Africa they may know several locals have hunting arms that are not in compliance with the law. Yet they expect and allow that violation of law. Yet at any time if they wish they can arrest that person and even imprison them with the full force of the law.
This can often extend to many other things beyond firearms. Giving local LEO and government the discretion to lock up anyone as a criminal, or allow them to continue on with their life in most cases.

In the USA we have the idea that a law is a law, and those are the limits set forth. But in some nations laws or discretionary laws outlaw most things, but certain ones are intentionally and widely known to only be enforced if someone upsets the powers that be.
So some people can be allowed guns, while others will be punished. What is officially on the books not really mattering for the majority of the population or how they or the LEO conduct their daily affairs.

In yet others outside of the Capitol the local militias or rural government may have more real power than the capitol. So what is law is what is enforced at the local level for anyone in the area, while officially the UN recognized government in control of the capitol city may have conflicting laws. The reverse is also true. The locals may outlaw something the UN recognized Capitol says is legal. Yet a violation of what the Capitol says is legal may still result in local punishment.

So what you read online for a third world nation is not always accurate in reality on the ground.
 
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Interesting article on carrying firearms through a UK airport

This reminded me of an almost identical story of a woman flying from one state in the US to up-state NY but landed in NYC. She was planning on renting a car and driving the remainder to see her parents. She had a carry permit in her home state but didn't plan on carrying in NY state. She just wanted it along JIC. Same nightmare at the airport... thought she'd have her handgun confiscated. It took days to get it straightened out. I think she mailed it back to her home address or that of an FFL in her home state.

Pakistanis can legally carry concealed..... that one really surprised me.
More power to them.
 
In Belgium, it's not a "right" stricto sensu, but we own and use guns (within legal limits, of course). Works well enough for me.
 
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