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Gun Safe advice

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Greywolf, Jul 29, 2007.

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  1. Greywolf

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    OK, finally deciding to spend some $$ on a decent safe after years of cramming my expensive (and some NFA weapons) guns into a cheapo $150 sheetmetal safe.

    Not wanting to spend a huge amount, I checked out Sam's and found this:

    http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?catg=535&item=322661&prDeTab=2&pCatg=6983#A

    It is actually $600 if I pick it up, plus tax of course (7%). I suppose I can find a friend or two to help me move it - I have a Suburban LT so I can fit it in the back of it, get it home, put it on a dolly, and move it inside.

    Decent deal, or are there better deals out there?
     
  2. CTPistol

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    take a good look around and put thought into placement, size, etc..that you think you will need for your lifetime...these things are a bear to move around! buy bigger than you think you might need now...as you will need it later.

    I settled on this one and am very happy with it. Prices are better than advertised also..

    http://www.libertysafe.com/safe_Lincoln.lasso
     
  3. GRB

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    Well, if I ever get enough money saved up, I'd like to buy a Cannon Safe. The reasons being: they make a good safe, and they have an absolutely outstanding warranty, a ZERO COST warranty. Go to: http://www.cannonsafe.com/ and check out their safes. Then go back to their home page, and click on their link for warranty. Outstanding.

    These were once available at Cabelas.

    All the best,
    Glenn B
     
  4. Buck Nekkid

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    If you can wait a little while then I'd check back with Sam's/Wal-Mart before Christmas. I bought a Winchester safe for under $500 a couple of years back. It has the digital key pad and the banker's spoked lever. VERY nice!
     
  5. karz10

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    I was considering the same one, picking it up local as you mention. I'm not ready to buy one yet. I wanted it for documents, valubles, and eventually some long guns and a couple handguns, as it is now, I only have one firearm, a HG, which follows me around, on my person or in the closest handgun safe, so was wanting to use this as a multi purpose, also it fits perfectly in the designated space I have for a safe.

    To me, it was the best overall value in the $400-$600 price range, offering more versatility and space, as well as limited fire protection, compared to the $400-$500 options in other retail stores.

    There are some $800ish things out there that may or may not be better, depending on who you talk to.

    Be warned though, many of the people on this board that are qualified to respond to you, i.e. safe dealers etc., will likely point out that what you're looking at is an RSC, or residential security container, and that gun safes should be for guns, and not other things, and you should get a small fire safe for other items, and a gun safe for guns. And apparently gun safes aren't really safes unless there about a ton or so in weight and cost a few thousand dollars, and even then, you don't always get what you pay for, and there's only a few decent brands of safes that cost a few thousand to several thousand dollars, etc., at least that's what I've gathered every time this has been brought up.

    Someone else started a thread: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=255836&highlight=karz+safe

    ...where on post 9, I asked what someone in my position should do, and asked for feedback after a detailed explanation, including a link to that sam's club RSC, and I was taken apart by various safe experts, and they never did choose to answer my follow up questions, after I took their posts seriously and tried to understand where they were coming from, I was written off as amusing them w/ my rationalizations...

    Maybe you'll have better luck w/ the high roaders in this regard. I hope you do.

    Regards,

    Karz

    PS I wouldn't be surpised if they took special concern over you're putting NFA items in such a cheap RSC, and would much prefer you spend more money than me even...
     
  6. Ala Dan

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    RSC

    I'm not a RSC expert by any stretch, but I do sell both Liberty and Browning
    RSC's. I chose a Colonial Series Liberty RSC for my own personal use; even
    though I know that better ones exist. My may concern is keeping my 3 year
    old grand-daughter, and "the smash and grab crowd" out. With the rest of
    my home security equipment in place; I think I have covered the bases~! ;):D
     
  7. never_retreat

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    Just remember most of those types of big box store safes are only going to be slightly better than the steel gun lockers.:banghead: I have a steel gun cabinet and a safe. The safe is not an ultra high security type, but is better built than those sentry type ones in wally world. It just happens to be twice as old as me and they were made a lot stronger back than. Plus I've welded on my own reinforcing in areas that need it, all on the inside.:evil:
     
  8. Im283

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    What is says on top of the ad for the link you provided.

    The gun safe snobs here will look down on you as has been mentioned already. If it was an RSC then that is what it would say. Way better than a gun locker.

    Looks like a nice one to me. I especially like the keypad as oppossed to a dial. Probably has three bolt holes inside on the bottom. Take advantage of them and bolt it down. Don't forget to get some kind of de-humidifier for it as well.
     
  9. Hunter0924

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    The points to consider in a safe is first of all the actual security of the build, as well as fire protection, size, layout, warranty, and lock quality.
    I believe the safe you linked would be a good choice but I do not know the brand. Whatever you go for look for the S&G lock as the other options.
    I chose the Liberty safe and she is a solid one.
     
  10. a1abdj

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    For what it is, it's one of the better deals out there. Just remember that it's only a small step above the sheet metal cabinet you've been using. Just because it looks like a bank safe, doesn't mean it will protect like a bank safe.

    Much of what this warranty covers is also covered by your homeowners or renters policy. These manufacturers know this, and actually replace only a small fraction of the burglarized and burned safes themselves.

    In the event of a mechanical failure, which isn't rare in the world of gun safes, this warranty can come in handy. I opened up a Liberty with a fired relocker the other day. $300 to drill it, and $200 to deliver the replacement safe. Liberty paid for the new safe, and the $500 in associated expenses. Of course if gun safes were built better, these instances would be more rare.

    I'm glad that's what you've gotten out of everything that has been said. I couldn't have said it much better myself. The best defense is a good offence. Since you're looking to protect something valuable to you, you want to make sure not setting yourself up for disaster.

    I never wrote you off. I'm assuming that post left the first page and I missed your questions. I'm always willing to help forum members whether it's here in the forum, or by private message or e-mail. It doesn't even matter if they are buying the safe from me or not. If you still have questions, I'd be happy to assist in any way I can.

    A moped isn't a motorcycle, it's a motorized bicycle. A daisy isn't a firearm, it's a bb gun. A 12 gauge box isn't a safe, it's a tin can with a lock on it. It doesn't matter what the ad says.
     
  11. joplinsks

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    I've read quite a few positive reviews here and there about the Winchester gun safe at Sam's. Most folks say it's the best gun safe deal going right now.
     
  12. karz10

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    Well, thank you, I wasn't directing that at you personally, I replied to your post w/ additional questions http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=3122713&postcount=12 and attempting to clarify my then line of thought.

    While I did not apparently get a response from you to those questions, I wasn't taking issue w/ that, as much as I was pointing out the negative comments that followed about my 'rationalizations' from other posters... comments without anything positive to suggest in return, I might add... therefore my comments today, warning the OP of the response I got in the other thread...

    Karz
     
  13. ctdonath

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    One notable tidbit I've heard is to get the "fireproof" safes - not so much as against fire, but as against Sawzall type cutters. (On a related note, whatever you get, keep your Sawzall locked up for the same reason.)

    I recently concluded I should get the dang biggest "safe" I can afford, to make it as heavy as possible and thus less likely to be taken whole. Piling ammo inside should help that further. (This in consideration related to where I will most likely put it.)
     
  14. GerryM

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    I have a Fort Knox and love it, but would get the size up if I had it to do again... leave room to expand and to have items other than firearms in it.
     
  15. Yosemite**Sam

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    alabdj Quote

    "A moped isn't a motorcycle, it's a motorized bicycle. A daisy isn't a firearm, it's a bb gun. A 12 gauge box isn't a safe, it's a tin can with a lock on it. It doesn't matter what the ad says."

    You might have to change your saying here. Daisy made a few .22 caliber rifles not too long ago. They were plastic with a metal insert barrel.
     
  16. zoom6zoom

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    Not to stray off topic, but some states consider it one.

    But you're right, a soup can with a lock isn't a safe.
     
  17. Mainsail

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    I got this small safe for $465 delivered to my door on a truck. Since I only have three long guns and five handguns, it's the perfect size for my needs. I am impressed with the quality. This model has the electronic keypad lock, but in the event one of those Chinese pulse bombs renders it inoperable, it comes with an emergency key override.
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  18. Stevie-Ray

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    I highly recommend the Sam's Club Granite Security Safes. Just got mine a few weeks ago for ~$575. It's one HEAVY SUCKER! I think around 600 lbs. Moving it with 2 other guys (actually 1 since the other was drunk:banghead:) was a chore not to be believed! I was doing the pulling on the reefer dolly and damn near got killed. Get plenty of help.:uhoh: I'm very satisfied with mine.

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  19. Eyesac

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    I would suggest checking with your local safe dealer, I would never suggest that for any other reason other than I was shopping around the internet (and was very dicouraged) and on my lunch break I went to a couple of safe dealers locally and they were way cheaper than what I found on-line (and for AMSEC). At least shop em...
     
  20. .45&TKD

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    I also need to buy a safe.

    Most of the one's I see have electronic locks.

    I would be concerned that if there were an EMP (worst case scenario), I would then be unable to open an electronic lock safe, when I need to most.

    What do yous guys think? Would I have to pay more for a conventional lock and is it worth it? What's a good one with a conventional combination lock?
     
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    This is especially true with used safes. Also, make sure the company you are talking to is an actual safe company, and not simply a locksmith.

    It has been my general experience that I can sell safes online much cheaper than I can locally. I have almost zero overhead for my online sales, whereas I have to stock, ship, and warehouse safes locally. Many online retailers will not be collecting sales tax on out of state sales.

    A conventional or "mechanical lock" should cost less than an electronic lock, and are typically your standard option. Electronic locks are usually optional, and add about $120 to the cost of the safe.

    Any UL rated mechanical lock should serve your needs. S&G, LaGard, Ilco, and others produce locks. The manufacturer of the safe doesn't matter when it comes to the lock itself.
     
  22. Lurper

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    IF you want the best safe made, check out Ft. Knox. There are other good safes, but Ft. Knox has better quality and features than the others. They also cost a bit more than most, but worth it. My experience with Cannon has been that they do everything they can to not have to honor the warranty. That is the main reason we no longer carry them.

    The cheaper safes just don't give you the security that the high end ones do. The cheaper ones are much easier to defeat and don't have the fire protection that the high end ones do. You should buy the best safe you can afford, even if it means saving your pennies for a while. A good safe is like a good firearm: you hope you never need it, but when you do, you need it to do what it was designed to do. Most of the low end safes just give you a false sense of security.

    IHMSA has a great article on how to choose a gun safe on their website.
     
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    Lets get back to electronic locks and the what if scenario of an "EMP".

    Does anyone know how these locks would react to this? I saw an episode of Myth Busters where they ran a car directly underneath an EMP device. It killed the motor of the car but still let lesser elctronics work. I cannot remember exactly what electronics on the car survived. I think windows and the fan, flashers maybe. Wouldn't the electronics of a RSC (to keep the safe snobs happy, heh:evil:) be along this line of minor electronics and maybe survive an EMP.

    Anyone know?
     
  24. vynx

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    I second going to a safe store and checking out used safes.

    I ended up buying a used TL30 that is huge - I don't remember the exact size but approx. 68" tallx 37"wide by 34" deep give or take an inch. It cost less than a new Fort Knox that the store was pushing.

    The best part is it weighs over 3700 lbs! I'm having some re-modeling work done and the 2 construction guys were going to move it out into the room so they could do some work behind it and they couldn't move it! I loved hearing that. They had a pallet jack and it was a no go!
     
  25. Will Learn

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    I have the winchester safe in question and like it a lot. Granted it isn't as nice as those multi-thousand dollar safes but it works. Its quick to get into(for me;) and is very heavy. It is UL listed and holds a lot of guns. There are also four small holes in the bottom in case you want to bolt it to the floor.

    The safe has GREAT value, just make sure to get one of those moving trucks with a slide out ramp, to put to your front door. Using a good dolly me and a friend got the safe into the house in about 15min. Mine is also bolted to the cement foundation with 6inch screws so someone won't take it out in 15min;). Good luck, you can't go wrong with this safe.
     
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