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Gun Safe Break In?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Justin Holder, Aug 27, 2010.

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  1. Justin Holder

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    Dose anyone know of an instance were a top end ($1000+) gun safe was actually broken into during a robbery?
     
  2. W.E.G.

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    It would be hard to break into a safe during a robbery.

    Might be possible during a BURGLARY.

    Otherwise not to many people carrying a safe around on their daily duties.
     
  3. M-Cameron

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    W.E.G pretty much nailed it......

    during your average snatch and grab home break-in.....it would be nearly impossible for a few thugs to get into a modern, quality gun safe.....

    but if someone broke in with the intent to break into the safe....with a blowtorch, crowbar, and a sledge hammer......my guess is it would take someone(s) a good hour and a half(at minimum) to get into one
     
  4. russ69

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    A`safe is effective because most bad guys are just looking for something that they can grab and sell for drugs. This is the most common scenario. On the other hand a pro can defeat your gun safe in about five minutes but it's a rare occurrence. (by the way they don't break into a safe, they burn through it).

    Thanx, Russ
     
  5. rcmodel

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    Only one I have heard of personally happened to a FFL friend of mine.

    But they didn't break into his safe.

    They just stole two of them clear full of guns and hauled them off to parts unknown.
    One was later found opened & empty in a roadside lake near here.
    The other one was never recovered.

    rc
     
  6. Lightning12

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    First, we would need to agree on what a top end gun safe consists of. $1000 does not in any way guarantee you the security you might think. Much of the weight and cost of typical gun store/department store safes goes into fireproofing (sheet-rock) This does nothing to add to the resistance to forcible opening.

    Read up on the specifics of the metal thicknesses and locking mechanisms used for gun safes.

    Then go to youtube and look for videos along the lines of gun safe break-in etc. I looked at some a couple years back. It took two guys about 2-3 minutes to break into a large safe using nothing but a pry bar.

    There are good safes out there. The one I remember the clearest that I might have been able to afford was called Sturdy Safe Co. Of course, there's also Ft. Knox, but they are quite expensive.

    Chaz
     
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    im not saying it didnt happen.....but youtube videos are not my go to choice for reliable information.....because anyone with a camera and some software can make 2 hrs of work look like 2 min. of work pretty easily
     
  8. Guns and more

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    I'm sure it happens. Why would a professional want to target my house?
    I'm very careful who knows, who gets in, who is allowed to see the safe (no one) Who has seen it open. (no one).
     
  9. W.E.G.

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    I've seen the YouTube vid.

    Some burglars are that good.
    Like maybe 0.0001%

    The rest are kids and crack-heads.
    They wouldn't be able to do what the guys in the YouTube vid did if you gave them written instructions and coaching.
     
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    Well the best way to keep things safe(pun intended) is to us a multi layered system. Any safe can be cracked with the right amount of time. So adding an alarm system will greatly reduce the time a criminal has. Also having good neighbors that notice things helps too. So, with a good safe, good alarm system, and good neighbors you are going to be pretty tight. Everything can fail but the chance is much slimmer.
     
  11. Owen Sparks

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    First of all, don't broadcast the fact that you have a lot of guns.
     
  12. EAJ

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    +1, or a safe, which suggests that you have something VALUABLE to protect. Learn how to keep a secret. :)
     
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    Gun "safes" are not in the eyes of the insurance industry, they are "Residential Security Containers", and not as reliable as "T" rated safes. "T" rated safes are usually 15 or 30 minute rated. A good sledge hammer on the corner can shatter the weld and have the RSC fall apart. A drill bit can go through the typical RSC wall in about 30 seconds (I did it to allow a golden rod dehumidifier cord to go through). My National Security brand is now owned by Liberty and considered one of their premier lines. Cheaper Chinese-made safes are even easier to break into. Most RSC's can easily be handled and removed by crooks with the typical handtruck found at Sam's or Costco. What you're protecting against is the typical teenager looking for a quick smash and grab for drug money
     
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    I hope for their sake no one breaks into my safe.....

    I store this guy in there......





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    But, I do have a very big dog with a very bad attitude toward strangers and he thinks the safe belongs to him. I don't tell him different:D
     
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    I recall reading recently about burglars who simply dragged the entire, unopened safe out of the house in order to drive away with it. Does that count?

    gd
     
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    You're supposed to bolt them to the floor. Technically to concrete and in such a way they can't get a prybar under it.
     
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    Yes, that makes sense to me. Unfortunately, I believe that the homeowner did not.

    I will try to find the story.

    gd
     
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    I had a conversation with a buddy that now lives in upper NY state. He was a locksmith for several years and specialized in safes. My question to him was a simple one how long would it take him to break into my safe. His reply was interesting. He stated that within 2 hours he could open and repair the safe so it would be almost impossible for someone to tell that he had opened it. I know that he has opened bank vaults and SD boxes for banks in the past and he is faster into my car without a key than I am with the key. So I tend to trust what he is telling me.

    Now he is a practiced professional that did this for a living for many years. But he was willing to state the repair of the safe would be accomplished as well. Now I wonder how fast he could get in without worrying about the final condition of the safe. :what:
     
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    You said safe right, now ask him about a RSC, because the one I liked was a rebranded Chinese safe that was dropped off a forklift, and just popped open, hell you can open a gun vault type box by just banging it.

    SO, don't believe youtube, do you home work, and then you will realize that most of the Youtube stuff has truth behind it.
     
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    I've never heard of a gun safe break-in.

    They're usually as reliable as they're going to get, straight out of the box.
     
  23. Palehorseman

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    [QUOTEA`safe is effective because most bad guys are just looking for something that they can grab and sell for drugs. This is the most common scenario. On the other hand a pro can defeat your gun safe in about five minutes but it's a rare occurrence. (by the way they don't break into a safe, they burn through it).

    Thanx, Russ ][/QUOTE]


    Ditto. I have a portable oxy-acetylene rig in the garage, but the cutting torch is in the safe with my guns, no call for helping the perps.
     
  24. Azb

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    Smart man. I've seen a couple break ins where the thieves used the homeowner's tools to facilitate the robbery. And a lot of cases where the thieves used the homeowner's truck to haul stuff away. Lock the car keys up too.

    Az
     
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    The question puts me in mind of the TV commercial where the guy posts his social security number for the world to see, while marketing his identity security product. I'm not familiar with gun safe warranties, but I'll bet none of them guarantee their product to this degree.

    Given enough time, they can all be breached with the proper tools.
     
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