Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Spyvie, Feb 9, 2008.
Me too, I should have said that first...
I wish people remember to check the chamber for thing and don't point it at anything you don't want destroyed, including your work colleagues.
CARE-LESS-NESS; in direct violation for one of the rules of gun
Was the trigger pulled? Did the firearm function as designed, or did it malfunction?
I hope he's ok.
Gunshop worker shot by negligence. Not by accident.
Based on the article, we don't know that. Seeing as how the rifle was being brought in for repair, it could very well have been a mechanical failure of some type that caused it to fire.
I understand the debate between AD/ND that pops up from time to time, but let's not make assumptions without knowing more of the facts.
I worked in a shop where the owner put a round through a wall.
up and away from people. But somehow I strongly suspect that this incident was rather a case of idiot with loaded gun handing it to idiot who violates multiple fundamental rules routinely.
I also hope the emplyoee comes out of it ok.
I was in there last night, I traded my Sig off and was in the process of the background check to take my new 1911 home. One of the guys, (not the one who got shot), bungled my last name on the background check, so they knew it wouldn't go thru, and I was supposed to go in there today and pick it up after they got my check cleared up.
Imagine my surprise when the shop was closed.
It's weird..I saw this guy just last night. If I had gone down there earlier...
gah. Please keep this guy in your prayers, this is my favorite gunshop.
I would also advise people not to jump to too many conclusions on this.
Wait until the investigation is done to rant. I think the only thing one could say is "muzzle control!" Outside of that, let's just keep this guy in our prayers.
Now how do you know that the gun was not pointed in a safe direction, and then the employee who got shot did not walk in front of it. While you can control a muzzle - you cannot always control someone else's actions.
As for pointing it up or down or whereever, it would liklely not be a workable situation to try to repair the rifle in that position, and also might possibly not be safe if there is an upstairs or a basement. Do not assume that a procedure of pointing a firearm up is always a safe thing, it is not so. For all we know it was pointed safely at the time it was being inspected, and someone else foolishly put themself in front of the muzzle while the person examining the gun was busy looking at the gun.
As for this:
Did not the article mention there was a problem with the gun. maybe the round was jammed in there, or the action was not functioning properly.
I would not cast stones until we know more of the facts even though my guess is negligence on the part of the guy holding the rifle. I knid of suspect either negligence in where it was pointed, or in communicating that he was examining a loaded and broken rifle, or just wax in the ears of the guy who got shot.
All the best,
. Now had the gun gone off I am sure it would have gone through the wall and possibly hit some one. I was not too thrilled with this so I left.
On the neglengence issue there is too little information for me to decide. Did the bullet go through the wall? perhaps the owner brought the gun in and said the bolt is stuck can you open it? never mentioned the fact that it was loaded. Through bumping and thumping the trigger moved enough to go bang. 4 rules of safety I know. But what were the circumstances. Either wat I say Accidental discharge until other facts come forth.
I don't recall that being one of the 4 rules of gun safety. Of course, since the gun was in for repair and so the action might not have been coming open.
Older Rem 700s had a defect that sometimes resulted in the discharging of a round when the handler would attempt to open the action to eject a live round. As I recall, there were several lawsuits over this.
MUZZLE control, yutz!!
1. All firearms are always loaded. ***
2. Always keep a firearm pointed in a safe direction.
3. Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot.
4. Always be sure of your target and know what is behind it along the bullet's trajectory
you have to check EVERY SINGLE TIME that it's unloaded
that's just dumb
Neglegence on the owners part if he forgot it was loaded.
Although the handeler is obligated to keep the muzzle in a safe direction you can not control the actions of others. Plainly stated the person hit walked infront of the muzzle. You have an obligation to know your environment to protect your self.
If this is true it negated the previous statement of not knowing it was loaded. "Dislodged" I might guess that the round was stuck in the gun or it was having a problem of some sort. Sounds like it might be the equivilent of a slam fire.
ONCE AGAIN SOME OF US HERE ON THR ARE SO QUICK TO SCREAM NEGLIGENCE WITH OUT FACTS!:banghead:
To underscore the point, I had a Walther PP in .32ACP in which a round became jammed in the chamber, and I was unable to dislodge it. The slide would simply NOT budge. I know how to disassemble the gun, but I'm not a gunsmith and felt it prudent to get expert help, and I brought it to my local gunshop for them to help. They knew I was coming, and I was very very clear when I handed over the gun that there was a round chambered even though the magazine had been removed (this gun has no mag disconnect--a round in the chamber: it will fire).
This case about the employee getting shot is a tragedy and I wish the injured man a speedy recovery. The most I can think of is the weapon was obviously pointed in a careless way. There's not enough information for me to say if there was a mechanical problem ... or whatever.
Still, though, a lesson to be learned for all of us.
I smith alll my own stuff, but when a live round becomes stuck to the point where the action cannot be opened or the firearm field stripped, it gets safetied and cased until I get home, at which point the muzzle is placed in my discharge barrel while I work/pry/beat the action open.
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