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Gun shows, a diffrent world

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by mephisto, Feb 26, 2003.

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  1. mephisto

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    Gun shows. I went to a show last weekend in Phoenix and ran into some very strange folks. I can only say that there are some people that should stay in their homes all the time. When you see a guy dressed in a WWI British uniform with his .303 Enfield and full battle pack on you have to wonder what the hell he is thinking. I followed him around for a bit just to see what he was looking for. Nothing. He would just chat about his “getup†and the fact that he had a 1911 with 10, yes 10, clips in his battle pack. 10 clips with 7 rounds in each clip and his Enfield had a bayonet. Crazy. After a while I ran into a buddy that had a table that told me this guy goes to every gun show in town. While I was there some idiots tried to rip-off some guns. Why would anyone try a five finger discount at a gun show? Every merchant has a gun. There is tons of security there. Well they did not get far. The best part of the gun show is there are no bad guns. Ask any dealer and they will tell you that. I asked one guy about 8 guns and all of them were great, 4 of them I had never even seen or heard about before. I bought a cz-97 for 450 from a guy that was looking for a trade for a glock 23. I think I did well. I love gun shows.
    Mephisto
     
  2. Chipperman

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    How many Brits carried a 1911 in WWI? :scrutiny:
     
  3. 10-Ring

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    I use to enjoy going to gun shows. Got some really good deals on ALOT of stuff (guns & accessories alike). As long as they're run properly, they can be a lot of fun.
     
  4. Greybeard

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    Some of the gun shows around DFW will have some individuals like the Brit, but the vast majority are your ordinary folks ...
     
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    I kinda liked those guys dressed up in military uniforms. Besides whats wrong with playing the part ?
     
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    I saw the same guy at the show this weekend and thought it was a little strange. But hey, to each his own. This gun show was immence and VERY crowded. I waited in line over an hour to comlete the paperwork for my new Sar-1. But at $278.50 I didn't mind a bit.
     
  7. mrstang01

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    .45Ruger, did they have any more of those?
     
  8. braindead0

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    Some of those people in 'period garb' are reenactors, or simply looking to hook up with like minded folks and get into reenactment events, possibly even in movies.

    When I did a lot of 15-16th century Scots/Irish, we managed to get a lot of interesting gigs..just by being us. One of my friends got some good bucks for allowing WaxWorks II to use his armor in the movie (yeah, cheese..B movie..but it's money). Also got a bunch of us on "Army of Darkness", because we come with our own gear.
     
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    There is one show in particular in Dallas that has a combo militaria show. Lots of guys dressed as German soldiers. They strike me a maybe a little on the weird side but then again it's interesting to see what a German soldier might have looked like. They wore really faded uniforms I've come to find out. They do have some fairly interesting jeeps and such.

    Since CAS became popular I have gotten used to seeing "cowboys" at shows. Some of them really work on their outfits. But then again, in TX lots of folks dress like cowboys everyday except for the gun belt and six guns.

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  10. mephisto

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    I don’t have a problem with people who dress up,I just think its funny. Ruger, who did u by the sar-1 from? That was the biggest gun show, as in people, I have been at.

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  11. Soap

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    I don't find the anachronisms strange (even if they get historical details incorrect)...but rather the people that are so fat they are barely mobile. Heart disease will get these people before the UN ever will...yet they worry and rant about the UN.
     
  12. Smoke

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    The period guys don't bother me near as much as the Mall-ninja's, LEO wannabe's. Neo-Nazis, and black helicopter crowd. Nor do I like the irreputable dealers that have jacked up prices, lie, and think everyone else is stupid. Not all dealers at shows are like that but there are invariaby some.

    I've almost quit going to gunshows. Only once every couple of years. I also have yet to leave with anything. Never found any good deals there.
     
  13. COHIBA

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    i'd like to dress up in black cammies w/ a black hood and goggles and walk around w/ an M4 and USP i a thigh rig.h
     
  14. Tamara

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    I like gun shows: I got a short lever Martini-Henry in .577-450 at a recent on. :)
     
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    maybe we should all be clones, and look alike:rolleyes: Shoot exactly the same guns and cartridges. Some of these people are very interesting to talk with. Try it next time.:)
     
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    Some observations -

    1) here in Austin, most of the attendees seemed to be fairly normal 'folk'. Many from the redneck end of Normal, but normal nontheless. Only a handful of Mall Ninjas and guys in secondhand uniforms.

    2) gun selection was not what I would have expected in many ways. There were very few C&R milsurp type weapons (1 bulgie Makarov in the whole place, not a Mauser 98K to be found) other than SKSs and AKs.

    which leads me to my other observation...

    3) prices were TERRIBLE. Said Makarov was going for $200 (and it was not in very good condition) SKSs (cheap ChiCom ones, at that) were 150+, Yugos were 200+. Rifles also seemed overpriced - a used Marlin 336 in .30-30 was 325$, when they have them brand new at WalMart for $275. Ruger M77s were 500 and up, used. You get the idea. Perhaps some of the other things (like ARs) that I don't know much about were better deals.

    The best prices seemed to be from the local gun retailers who had come in and set up booths; their prices were around what I would expect to pay for the various guns they were offering. Of course, no need to go to a gun show to buy from a retailer with their own shop.

    All that said, I'll be going back. I just wanted to comment that it certainly doesn't match up to my expectations.
     
  17. nathan

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    Its hard to find deals in gunshows nowadays. I rather buy direct from the big houses and pay FFL$15 and shipping. It still comes out less than these suckers. I mainly go to have ideas what I want to know of a particular gun. AMmo is another thing. It saves you shipping hassle and waiting time. Turk ammo are way to cheap , my favorite.
     
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    At the old LA County gunshow, there was a costume contest, so there was a reason to be dressed up. Also, there were some re-enactors and historical vehicle groups that showed up with Pinkys and whatnot.

    Maybe these were doing the same?
     
  19. JerryN

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    I went to two gun shows this past weekend and had a great time looking at and handling lots of firearms, especially the ones you don't see every day.

    I tried to buy some S. African 5.56 and some tracers off one guy but he would only take cash! What the heck is up with that? Tax evasion? I had some cash earlier but had spent most of it by then. I couldn't give this guy any money! No checks or plastic either.

    Too bad. I'll have to just keep buying off the internet.
     
  20. Poodleshooter

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    That and a reluctance to take the risk of checks or the % merchant fees required by vendors who accept Visa or mastercard.
    On a side note about gunshow vendors, I've never seen so many vendors who blatantly violate the Visa policy against charging the merchant fees against customers. Gunshow salespeople LOVE to put out those "discount for cash" or "+3% for Visa/Mastercard" signs.
    I'll be hitting the Richmond,VA show on Saturday...cash in hand and Glock in holster. Have to keep the powder and bullet stocks up.
    I wish more reenactors showed up at our local gunshows.
     
  21. Justin

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    Best strategy I've found for going to a gunshow:

    Research what you want ahead of time, find out what a decent price is for the gun/ammo/stuff you want to buy. Look for that.

    Bring a wad of cash. The old saying about money talks and you-know-what walks is liberally applied at gunshows. If someone sets off your BS meter, don't bother talking, just walk away. (like the idiot at the last show that wanted $125 for a 15 round CZ-75 magazine.)


    Goofy people are part of the atmosphere. Ignore 'em, or keep an eye on 'em, but don't lose any sleep over it.
     
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    I like mine with home made strawberry ice-cream on it. The kind with real fruit in it. Nuts are ok as long as they aren't peanuts. :rolleyes:
     
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    This has been around for a while, but for the benefit of those who haven't see it yet here it is again!

    COMPREHENSIVE GUIDE TO GUN SHOWS:
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    Gun shows are run by and for dreamers. Every dealer who sets up a table seems to think that the people who attend are half-wits who will happily pay 25% more than manufacturer's suggested retail price for their goods; and all the attendees hold it as an article of faith that the exhibitors are desperate men who have come in the hopes of finally disposing of their stock at 30% less than wholesale cost. In this environment it helps to have some idea what to expect; so for the benefit of those who are so unfortunate as never to have experienced this distinctively American form of mass entertainment, I offer this guide.

    GLOSSARY
    The following terms apply to items offered for sale:

    MINT CONDITION: In original condition as manufactured, unfired, and preferably in the original box with all manufacturer's tags, labels, and paperwork.

    NEAR-MINT CONDITION: Has had no more than 5,000 rounds fired through it and it still retains at least 60% of the original finish. Surface pitting is no more than 1/8" deep, and both grip panels are in place. If it is a .22, some of the rifling is still visible.

    VERY GOOD: Non-functional when you buy it, but you can probably get it to work if you replace 100% of the parts.

    FAIR: Rusted into a solid mass with a shape vaguely reminscent of a firearm.

    TIGHT: In revolvers, the cylinder swings out, but you need two hands to close it again. For autoloaders, you must bang the front of the slide on a table to push it back.

    REALLY TIGHT: In revolvers you cannot open the cylinder without a lever. Once it's open the extractor rod gets stuck halfway through its travel. On autoloaders, you need a hammer to close the slide.

    A LITTLE LOOSE: In revolvers, the cylinder falls out and the chambers are 1/4" out of line when locked up. There is no more than 1/2" of end play. For autoloaders, the barrel falls out when the slide is retracted. If the barrel stays in place, the slide falls off.

    GOOD BORE: You can tell it was once rifled and even approximately how many grooves there were.

    FAIR BORE: Would be similar to GOOD BORE, if you could see light through it.

    NEEDS A LITTLE WORK: May function sometimes if you have a gunsmith replace minor parts, such as the bolt, cylinder, or barrel.

    ARSENAL RECONDITIONED: I cleaned it up with a wire wheel and some stuff I bought at K-Mart.

    ANTIQUE: I found it in a barn, and I think it dates from before 1960. Note that ANTIQUE guns are usually found in FAIR condition.

    RARE VARIANT: No more than 500,000 of this model were ever made, not counting the ones produced before serial numbers were required. RARE VARIANTS command a premium price of 150% of BOOK VALUE.

    BOOK VALUE: An irrational number which dealers consider insultingly low and buyers ridiculously high. Since no one pays any attention to it, it doesn't matter.

    IT BELONGED TO MY GRANDFATHER: I bought it at a flea market two weeks ago.

    CIVIL WAR RELIC: The vendor's great-grandfather knew a man whose friend had been in the Civil War.

    SHOOTS REAL GOOD: For rifles, this means at 100 yards it will put every shot into a 14" circle if there isn't any wind and you're using a machine rest. For handguns, three out of six rounds will impact a silhouette target at seven yards. In shotguns, it means that the full choke tube throws 60% patterns with holes no bigger than 8" in them.

    ON CONSIGNMENT: The vendor at the show does not own the gun. It belongs to a friend, customer, or business associate, and he has been instructed to sell it, for which he will be paid a commission. He has no authority to discuss price. The price marked is 150% above BOOK VALUE. All used guns offered for sale at gun shows, without exception, are ON CONSIGNMENT, and the dealer is required by his Code of Ethics to tell you this as soon as you ask the price. A BATF study has proven that since 1934 there has never been a single authenticated case of a used gun being offered for sale at a gun show that was actually owned by the dealer showing it.

    I'LL LET IT GO FOR WHAT I HAVE IN IT: I'll settle for what I paid for it plus a 250% profit.

    MAKE ME AN OFFER: How dumb are you?

    TELL ME HOW MUCH IT'S WORTH TO YOU: I'll bet you're even dumber than you look.

    PEOPLE YOU WILL MEET AT THE GUN SHOW:

    RAMBO: He's looking for an Ingram MAC-10, and wants to have it custom chambered in .44 Magnum as a back-up gun. For primary carry he wants a Desert Eagle, provided he can get it custom chambered in .50 BMG. He derides the .50 Action Express as a wimp round designed for ladies' pocket pistols. He has already bought three years' worth of freeze- dried MRE's from MARK, as well as seven knives. He is dressed in camoflage BDU's and a black T-shirt with the 101st AirBorne Division insignia, though he has never been in the Army. He works as a bag boy at Kroger's.

    BUBBA: He needs some money, and has reluctantly decided to sell his Daddy's .30-30, a Marlin 336 made in 1961. He indignantly refuses all cash offers below his asking price of $475. Unable to sell it, eventually he trades it plus another $175 for a new-in-box H&R Topper in .219 Zipper. He feels pretty good about the deal.

    GORDON: He is walking the aisles with a Remington Model 700 ADL in .30-06 on his shoulder. He's put an Uncle Mike's cordura sling and a Tasco 3x9 variable scope on it. A small stick protrudes from the barrel, bearing the words, "LIKE NEW ONLY THREE BOXES SHELLS FIRED $800." This is his third trip to a show with this particular rifle, which he has never actually used, since he lives in a shotgun-only area for deer.

    DAWN: She is here with her boyfriend, DARRYL. At the last show, DARRYL bought her a Taurus Model 66 in .357 Magnum. She fired it twice and is afraid of it, but she keeps it in a box on the top shelf of her clothes closet in case someone breaks in. She is dressed in a pair of blue jeans that came out of a spray can, a "Soldier of Fortune" T-shirt two sizes too small, and 4" high heels. DARRYL is ignoring her, but nobody else is.

    DARRYL: He has been engaged to DAWN for three years. He likes shotguns for defense, and he's frustrated that he can't get a Street Sweeper, so he's bought a Mossberg 500 with the 18-1/2" barrel, a perforated handguard, and a pistol grip. He plans to use it for squirrel hunting when he isn't sleeping with it. He plans to marry DAWN as soon as he gets a job which pays him enough to take over the payments on her mobile home.

    ARNOLD: He is a car salesman in Charlottesville, Virginia. He has a passion for Civil War guns, especially cap-and-ball revolvers. He has a reproduction Remington 1858, and is looking for a real one he can afford. He owns two other guns: a S&W Model 60 and a Sauer & Sohn drilling his father brought home from the war in 1945. He has no idea what caliber the rifle barrel on his drilling is, and he last fired the Model 60 five years ago.

    DICK: He is a gun dealer who makes his overhead selling Jennings J- 25's, Lorcin .380's, and H&R top-break revolvers. He buys the J-25's in lots of 1000 direct from the factory at $28.75 each, and sells them for $68.00 to gun show customers. He buys the H&R's for $10 at estate auctions and asks $85 for them, letting you talk him down to $78 when he is feeling generous. His records are meticulously kept, and he insists on proper ID and a signature on the 4473. He doesn't care whether the ID and the signature are yours, however. Other than his stock, he owns no guns and he has no interest in them.

    ARLENE: She is DICK's wife. She hates guns and gun shows more than anything in the world. Her husband insists that she accompany him to keep an eye on the table when he's dickering or has to go to the men's room. She refuses to come unless she can bring her SONY portable TV, even though she gets lousy reception in the Civic Center and there isn't any cable. When DICK is away from the table, she has no authority to negotiate, and demands full asking price for everything. She doesn't know the difference between a rifle and a shotgun, and she doesn't care, either.

    MARK: He doesn't have an FFL. He buys a table at the show to sell nylon holsters, magazines, T-shirts, bumber stickers, fake Nazi regalia, surplus web gear, MRE's and accessories. He makes more money than anyone else in the hall.

    ALAN: He's not a dealer, but he had a bunch of odds and ends to dispose of, so he bought a table. On it he displays used loading dies in 7,65 Belgian and .25-20, both in boxes from the original Herter's company. He also has a half-box of .38-55 cartrdiges, a Western-style gun belt he hasn't been able to wear since 1978, a used cleaning kit, and a nickel-plated Iver Johnson Premier revolver in .32 S&W. He's asking $125 for the gun and $40 for each of the die sets. He paid $35 for the table and figures he needs to get at least that much to cover his expenses and the value of his time.

    GERALD: He's a physician specializing in diseases of the rich. He collects Brownings, and specializes in High-Power pistols, Superposed shotguns, and Model 1900's. He has 98% of the known variations of each of these, and now plans to branch out into the 1906 and 1910 pocket pistols. He owns no handguns made after the Germans left Liege in 1944. He regards Japanese-made "Brownings" as a personal insult and is a little contempuous of Inglis-made High-Powers. He does not hunt or shoot. He buys all his gun accessories from Orvis and Dunn's.

    KEVIN: He is 13, and this is his first gun show. His eyes are bugged out with amazement, and he wonders what his J.C. Higgins single-shot 20-gauge is worth. His father gives him an advance on his allowance do he can buy a used Remington Nylon 66. He's hooked for life and will end up on the NRA's Board of Directors
     
  24. nathan

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    How about this, "I bought the gun new and its been in my closet a long time. I just want to sell it for what I got in it." A very typical salesmanship eeh.
    As soon as you're about to go, the seller says, " Buy it and take it home." Yeah right, you want me to buy a clunker! No way.
     
  25. bad_dad_brad

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    When I go to gun shows around here, I mind my own business, follow the rules, and don't make eye contact (unless she is pretty and her boyfriend is looking the other way).

    I have seen all kinds. It can be an interesting circus. Guys in camo with Rambo headbands, Harley guys and gals, ordinary couples, families, farmer types, pilot wannabes in their A2 flight jackets, veterans looking over the old military stuff, more good looking women than you would imagine (always with male escorts), teenage boys oogling the guns, and just regular guys like me with an interest in knives and firearms.

    With that potentially volatile mix, I have never even heard a cross word, let alone seen a fight. Gun shows are fun! Some interesting people with interesting stories. I have never bought a gun at a gun show, but plenty of knives, accessories, books, ammo, and junk.
     
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