Gun Snatched....help me guys!

Open Carry and Gun Snatchings

  • Yes, I have carried in an urban area, gun was not snatched, no attempts.

    Votes: 86 88.7%
  • I have carried in an urban area and experienced a gun snatching or attempt.

    Votes: 4 4.1%
  • I do not carry in urban areas for fear my weapon will be snatched.

    Votes: 7 7.2%

  • Total voters
    97
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JohnSka writes: However, the article also contained some incidents in which gun store clerks had open carry guns snatched, and I guess we all know about the Newton Patent/Newton Tavern snatching by now...

I'm not familiar with the Newton Patent/Newton Tavern snatching. What were the circumstances?

Also, I see that there are now TWO attempted snatches reported in the poll. One was stated to be a mistake. That leaves one that is apparently NOT a mistake. It would be nice if the person who experienced this attempted snatching posted some information about it.
 
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Newton Patent/Newton Tavern is the street intersection of the Fairfax county snatch where two guys put a metallic object to the OC'er's head and took his pistol.

It's the incident I linked to in Post #8 on this thread.
 
"I do not carry in urban areas for fear my weapon will be snatched."

I do not believe most people who disdain open carry do so out of fear that their weapon will be snatched. Thus, your poll won't be accurate.

Erik, who votes "none of the above."
 
I had an attempted snatch. Just a joke, right? Ha ha. Twice from behind while sitting in a chair. Once on foot patrol. hey, just kidding.

Course, my backup piece was a 5 shot carried in a pocket holster. Got pretty good with the left hand after a little practice.
 
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I'd say its a no brainer, 1st open carry is very rear in most "urban" areas. also if you carrying you have to have some reason, also when i carry i'm just more awear of my i've never heard of it happening.

if anyone has a link to a new article or anything verified.. please post it.
 
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Like someone said above, it's amazing how crazed out some people get over Open Carry. I saw a discussion on Concealed Carry Forum where people were getting rather up in arms (need a new cliche) about Open Carry. Granted, it is a concealed carry forum, so obviously the bias would be toward CC, but I don't quite understand why people are so adamant against it. I live in Maine, where OC is allowed, and I do on occasion. I don't do it all the time, most of the time it's when I'm going out shooting/returning from, and stopping at a store or something. I don't have a CCW yet (working on changing that) and would rather not leave the gun in the car. Never gotten any funny looks from it, but then, this is Maine.

I think OC is good for two reasons. The first is the fact that we can. Even more important because there are some places that you can't OC (a fact of which I was in ignorance until just this week - and am still incredulous about!). It's a right I have, and I will.

The other reason for OC is because we need to get people used to it. OK, not everyone is going to be convinced to carry, but the more often people see it, the more they will become used to it. I seem to recall someone saying the biggest reason they wouldn't OC is that they didn't want to scare people. Why do these people get scared? Because they never see someone carrying a gun. The only time your average person ever sees a gun IRL is on the hip of a cop. Isn't "Cops are the only ones who should have guns" one of the mentalities we want to be eliminating?

I will admit, there is a tactical loss - it could potentially make yourself the priority target, and for this reason alone I wouldn't do it all the time, even if I had something less wieldy than a Taurus 92. And you lose the advantage of surprise, if something's going on.

I'm not saying it's always applicable, or always right, but it's a step. It's a step to preserve the rights some of us already have, and try to open the minds of others. The "war" against guns is not going to end in a huge leap, it's going to be by steps and tip-toes. This is one way of accomplishing this, IMO.
 
I have never had the occasion to open carry except at the range. However, I do endorse open carry. If more folks did, then it would be less of a big deal to the paranoid amongst us.

If I ever do open carry, I will be especially wary of a gun snatch. That being said, I think the proposed "snatchor" would be in for a big surprise. I always keep my head on a good swivel, when walking, driving or any other activity and I always have a BUG which I can access quite rapidly.

My CCW has been instrumental in aquiring this attitude of awareness.
 
Also, I see that there are now TWO attempted snatches reported in the poll. One was stated to be a mistake. That leaves one that is apparently NOT a mistake. It would be nice if the person who experienced this attempted snatching posted some information about it.

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It certainly would.

Unfortunately, NONE of the votes from either poll in this category have a comment or statement included. I readily accept them...because this is a blind poll (non verified), a small poll (unreliable statistically) and its only purpose is to reveal any possible trends.

My thanks to everyone who has participated. Please keep your votes and comments coming.

Flint
 
In all his travels, he cites that he witnessed only two people Open Carrying in an Urban area (City of any size).

This needs to be further qualified as relating only to private citizens since has already been stated police officers open carry all the time.

"Why do you need a pistol to walk down the street!?".

It's not a question of need, no more than asking him in return why he "needed" to walk down that street when he could have drove. It is a question of rights and freedoms and individual freedom to choose for one's self. The person the guy was talking to didn't "need" to, rather he "choose" to. Not all of us live where that is an option to personally choose. But off topic, sorry.

The poll questions:

Yes, I have carried in an urban area, gun was not snatched, no attempts.

Legality aside, I'll not say much about this one.

I have carried in an urban area and experienced a gun snatching or attempt.

See previous reply.

I do not carry in urban areas for fear my weapon will be snatched.

I have a problem with the word "fear" here. "Concern", maybe, but the word fear implies the wrong thing to me. If one is afraid then perhaps one shouldn't be there to begin with. Also does not allow for someone not wanting to cause concern to those in the area who might be upset by seeing someone open carrying, like was noted in a previous post that I quote above. Perhaps this question could be rephrased as:
"I do not open carry in urban areas out of concern of becoming a theft target and out of concern of not wanting to upset other citizens".

The poll also does not allow for an answer whereby someone living in Wisconsin for instance, while open carry is technically legal, can not exercise this option due to conflicting and constraining laws. Perhaps a fourth question about "Open carry is not a functional option due to laws and applied regulations".

I answered to #1 relating to a legal occurance many years ago. The poll also does not allow for multiple responses, for example I might open carry in the urban area of Prentice Wisconsin but not in the urban area of Milwaukee or Madison, so technically I could click #1 and #3.

Perhaps you also need a 4th or 5th qualifying question as to whether or not someone has had or currently trains in weapon retention techniques.

While it might be nice to be able to get simple and direct responses, the reality of the matter is that there is no simple response due to the way the questions are asked and due to the nature of the debate in general. Concealed Carry is subject to snatch attempts as well, just as purse snatching is a concern in urban areas, just as pick pocketing is also a concern in urban areas. Situational awareness and personal preparedness, doesn't matter if we're talking about carrying a firearm or driving a car, is what matters, not some quantification of attempted versus non-attempted snatchings.

Hope this helps in some way, just personal opinion standing on it's own with no stated qualifications to back it up. :cool:
 
I don't quite understand why people are so adamant against it.
I, for one, am not "against it". I've posted here and elsewhere that I think it should be legal everywhere. I also believe that it has the potential to educate the public if done properly. It does have its place, and if it ever becomes legal here, there are circumstances under which I would open carry.

However, I do believe that OC has some tactical disadvantages compared to CC and I also think that many OC'ers, instead of advancing the cause of gun rights through OC actually set it back. I also react negatively to the aggressive, often abusive manner in which OC'ers often try to push it on other gun owners. It seems that many won't be happy unless everyone finally knuckles under and owns up that OC is always the best tactical solution to self-defense and that it's always an excellent method for acclimatizing the general public to firearms in a constructive way.

In other words, I'm not arguing for the elimination of OC, quite the contrary, I think the legality of OC should be expanded. I'm just tired of the flawed reasoning displayed in these threads and the overly aggressive "marketing" of OC on the forums.
 
My whole argument against open carry revolves sort of around that... Your gun represents wealth, it *is* a kind of wealth, and it is also the means to protect that wealth. If I gave you some other form of wealth the same value as the gun - like $500 in cash - are you going to stick it in your belt and let it flap in the breeze for everyone to see, or are you going to put it in your pocket?

Nio
 
Gentlemen,



Looks like this poll has pretty much played out.



Thank you one and all... for your participation, thoughts and comments.

I would like to have had comments from those who voted that they had a gun snatched or don't carry openly in urban areas because of concern. I think it would have been enlightening...but I respect their right to remain anonymous.

I have really enjoyed the short time I have spent here and plan to visit from time to time.

Please feel free to join here as well: http://www.texasshooting.com/TexasCHL_Forum/index.php

Thanks again,

Flint.
 
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