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People have good days and bad days. Even gun store owners. I was over at my usual gun store. Place was hopping. I had a question for the owner. Got his attention and he asked me to wait as he was helping two people at once...or trying to. No biggie. They were there before me. So I'm drooling over a cherry Winchester Model 63 and notice he's finished. And discussing a recent golf game with someone. Well, I listened to the drama of the 1st hole. The 2nd hole. When he started in on the third hole, I left. Didn't feel the need to find out what happened on the 18th hole. I shoot, I don't play golf.
I've been doing business with him for over 20 years and have spent over 10K with him in the past six years. Maybe I was unreasonable, but I felt I deserved just a wee bit more timely service. But I stayed away until my desire to tell him what to eat and then die faded. Took about three weeks. Then I walked in again. Found a used S&W 66 for a good price. Asked him what was his best price. He knocked off a hundred bucks. I think he realized that he had angered a very good customer and was trying to make up for it.
 
I have had an FFL for 29 years and SOT status for 22. I deal in mostly high-end stuff (Gatlings, double rifles, MGs, etc.) with other dealers and don't have a storefront with display cases full of "normal" guns for sale, so my advice may not carry the weight of a guy with a typical shop.

For the last year I've been doing ever-increasing weekly business teaching CCW classes, as I have my own range and a lot of interesting guns for students to shoot. I realize that people who sign up for a CCW class and show up with the class fee in hand are by definition NOT "air stealers", but some observations I've made might still translate to the retail gun trade with walk-in traffic.

1. When dealing with someone new, give generic (rather than specific) advice, and be up front about your own prejudices.

When asked for advice about a gun for CCW, I say "Handle a lot of guns. Narrow your choices down to guns that just 'feel right' in your hands. Then look at the way you dress and the things you do every day, and select a gun and carry method that will not disrupt your life.

"Your gun should be one you have absolute confidence in as to reliability and your ability to shoot it well. I prefer revolvers because nothing feels more like an extension of my arm than a S&W revolver with the right grips. However, autoloaders have several advantages and that's why I've got a dozen different ones for you to shoot and see what feels best."

2. If someone asks a really stupid question, laugh if you must, but don't take the person's dignity. A month ago, a guy asked in class "What about shooting rubber bullets for self-defense?"

Me, chuckling: "I see a lot of the others snickering, but the fact is your suggestion has been tried by some major companies. Thirty years ago, Remington had a 12-gauge police load that fired plastic pellets that wouldn't penetrate. At five feet they'd knock a man down like a Nolan Ryan fastball, but at 50 feet did next to nothing. The problem they discovered was twofold: People tend to be quick to use non-lethal weapons, which is bad police training if that weapon is a 12 gauge shotgun that might someday be loaded with regular shot or slugs. Second, we shoot defensively to immediately incapacitate. Given that there are many cases of bad guys taking multiple torso hits from regular ammo and continuing to fight, rubber bullets are a step in the wrong direction. If you're being attacked, chances are your attacker has more in common with a wild animal than he does with you. You don't want ammo that might just make him madder."

3. Some questionable-looking people may become your most loyal customers and advocates. This has been especially true for me with black customers. A guy was in my class three weeks ago with dreadlocks, sagging baggy pants, a gold tooth, and gold chains. THIS IS JUST A FASHION STATEMENT. He would be the same person if he cut his hair, ditched the chains, and wore khakis and a polo shirt.

After I had coached several students one-on-one at the range, this guy came up to me with a fixed-sight 9mm CZ-75 clone. He confessed he couldn't hit anything with it (we were at the stage where we were shooting reactive targets such as metal swingers, tin cans, golf balls, etc.) and might there be something wrong with the gun? I fired the gun twice at a water bottle about 40 feet away and both shots hit way low, though windage was perfect. The man said something like "It's no good, huh?" I smiled.

"Throw out three golf balls." He did. Then, holding 2/3 of the front sight above the rear notch, I proceeded to drive all three golf balls far downrange with three shots. His jaw dropped. "Gun's fine--the front sight is too high. That's why you were missing--always shooting low. Here, let me explain." And I took a piece of paper and explained trajectory and what happens when the front sight is too high. He asked what to do about it.

"Some people hate the idea of sawing on a gun, and would pay a lot of money to have a professional remove the sight and refit a shorter one. That might involve refinishing the slide, as the sight looks like it's brazed on. If it were mine, though, I'd just file off half the front sight. The white dot will become half a dot, or less, but it won't be any harder to line up." He asked would I do that for him. I put the gun in the vise, covered all but the front with a rag to prevent filings from getting in the action, and had the front sight shorter in a few minutes. I tossed out another golf ball, loaded the gun, and handed it to him after a very brief lecture on sight picture, grip, and stance. His first shot sent the ball flyng to the far end of the range. You couldn't get the grin off his face with a crowbar.

The next week, SEVEN of this guy's friends showed up for class!



Finally, in threads like this one, people regularly mention that they want to patronize their local gunshop instead of "Wally World" (Wal-Mart.)

I cannot fathom why any struggling gun store owner would EVER stock ANY of the same items as Wal-Mart. Let your customers buy their 10/22s and M94s at Wal-Mart. Let them buy Winchester white box ammo. Does Wal-Mart sell concealment holsters? Surplus ammo? Premium self-defense ammo like Cor-Bon or MagSafe? Police trade-in semiautos? Milsurp guns? No? Then stock that stuff.

The guy who made the comment about wanting a gun store owner with a business background was dead on.

JR
 
Here's a few of my observations of the local gunshop:

1) Too many half-cocked guys behind the counter who never return a smile and friendly, "Hello", because they assume that everyone who comes in the door is deserving of their derision.

2) If the guy behind the counter realizes that you actually know what you are doing when it comes to firearms, he is often far too eager to inflict his supposedly superior erudition upon you by "correcting" things you said correctly in the first place. He just wasn't listening, or didn't LIKE what you said;

"Glocks are WAY better than Sigs, Sir...".

Yeah, right! :rolleyes:

It's because he carries lots of cheap plastic guns and can't afford to carry Sigs and HKs that he says stuff like that, not because he's RIGHT or knows what he's talking about. :cuss: (my local shop has about 20 brand new Glocks and only one Sig and one HK which are both USED. Oh, they have one brand new Beretta, so they are not TOTALLY lost...)

And they wonder why they are probably going to go out of business?!?

3) FOX News Channel is blaring on the overhead television and the shop owner's 12 year-old son is running about the store in his soccer uniform because Mommy had some clothes shopping to do and Daddy's got to watch both Junior and the store this afternoon.

4) Post the rules conspicuously, Sparky. You guys don't get to sit behind the counter like spiders waiting for prey until some unwitting newbie customer who is just learning about guns places his finger inside the trigger guard of one of your long guns on the display rack so that you can then JUMP DOWN HIS THROAT and quote chapter and verse from a policy that you couldn't find anywhere in the store with two hands and a flashlight.

5) Bathe occasionally. Oh, and keep the ugly, "I should be at home cleaning my guns" or "Special Ops, Silent Killer" t-shirts AT HOME where they belong. Dress like you are in business. Try it, you might like it.

P.S. - Gun shop customers are "jerkoffs"? HAH! Most gun shop owners are antisocial miscreants with little formal education or training, yet they act like they are superior to the general public simply because they reek of Hoppes #9, keep a couple of crappy plastic guns under the counter, can repeat what they were told to think by FOX News Channel or Ann Coulter, and know how to point something that was made to be pointed by the human hand.

Ooooohhhhh!!! I'm so impressed with your crappy guns, dirty store, disorganized and paltry stock, dimestore conservativism, filthy indoor shooting range, and your Holier-Than-Thou attitude; you rude, fat, unshaven, pompous, ignorant, lazy, myopic, loudmouthed dirtbag.

Personally, I'll take most gunshop customers any day over the store owners as a group.


Sorry for the rant but, hey, you asked. :)
 
and your Holier-Than-Thou attitude; you rude, fat, unshaven, pompous, ignorant, lazy, myopic, loudmouthed dirtbag.

You bastard, how dare you!!!

Ill have you know I SHAVE twice a week

WildhavekillemallletgodsortemouttshirtstooAlaska
 
Which just goes to show that some business owners know jack about customer service
no kidding!!!

i know a few dozen other shooters around anchorage (none of them are posters though) and they all say they hate going to wild west guns because they get treated like crap.

that was the entire reason i stopped in there one day, to see if i would get treated like scum. i needed to replace the plunger on my kimber. introduced myself to the one guy in the shop that looked like he was 'wildalaska' i had seen posting at TFL.

i musta said the magic word or did the secret hand shake, or maybe my drop-dead-gorgeous smile did the trick. cause i have yet to be treated like anything other than an employee.
i've watched the mouthbreathers come in asking for a trade in on a 'customized' rifle that is falling apart at the seams, drooling over the most expensive gun in the shop and then walk out muttering something about 'gotta ask the boss first'.

i've stopped at other gun shops around town and couldnt get the time of day. shops that have employees dressing 'professionally', i might add.

true, i might get ordered to move piles of stuff around, or run this to the guys in the back, or whatever. but i also get handed a colt commando and get told to "do a tac-roll and clear the store while making machine gun noises".
 
Ok, someone just sent me an email and prompted me to toss my personal hat into the "gun store consultant" ring.

I don't know why though. It's just a hobby for me.
 
Those difficult customers do not deserve extra effort and attention. They should be kicked in the butt when they enter the city limits. In general, they are immense time sinks. They will come into your shop, ask non-stop questions for two hours, leave, and do it again three days later. After answering all of their questions, showing them two dozen guns, they will call you up and say that they bought the gun at another shop because it was $20 less. These are the same people who buy a gun from you and then complain that it's crap because they can't hit a plate at 25 yards. It must be the gun.

Spending 20 hours on one customer who bought a gun that you made $200 on is not going to make you any money: not in references, not in reputation.

This is true in any business. You want as many easy customers as possible and as few difficult customers as possible. This WILL maximize your profit. A good friend of mine has been in sales for 20+ years. He tells customers directly, "I cannot afford to spend the time with you that you need." Most understand, but some get mad.
 
They will actually encourage gun rights, not encourage the grabbers.
This quality in a gun shop goes miles with me. At least act like you care enough to stay informed. Know the status of pending legislation that directly affects your business. This includes hunting, CCW, AWB, local ranges, LEO issues. Make it your business to be interested. That's all I ask. I agree with what Tamara says most of the time and with what Wild Alaska says very little of the time. But I'd like buying at their shops anytime.

Go surf the internet and some gun boards regularly. Let me repeat that: Go surf the internet and some gun boards regularly. Know what guns are selling for on GunBroker.com. Know what Wal-Mart stocks and what they charge for it. Hunters spend tons of money on their sport, but are the most likely to patonize the "sporting goods" stores for their needs.

This ties in with what John Ross said also. Ditto that. Don't believe everything you read in the gun rags, or in Time and Newsweek either. But be aware of them and that your customers are too.
 
...and if you don't advertise you won't get any foot traffic.

Also, don't do gunshows. Let them come to you when they've walked up and down the dirt civic center looking for a "deal" only to find there are none. We sit back and let them come to us, and on days when there is a gunshow in town we do about 75% more business than if we had gone to the show.

And we advertise. On TV, in the paper, on radio, bus shelters, billboards and even on the internet.
 
Really there is an easy way for gun store owners to know whether they are getting it right in customer service, stocking, pricing, etc. It does not require hiring an expensive consultant.
If your sales are flat/declining and traffic is diminishing over time then you're not getting it.
I worked at a shop that just went out fo business. The manager was an older ex-military guy who I always liked but admittedly was an a-hole to almost everyone else. He also had trouble standing at the counter.
Sure enough all the regular customers left. The ones who stayed around he would pitch incredible deals to: selling primo guns for less than he had paid. He also decided to scrue every person coming to trade or sell by offering them next to nothing and then marking it up 200%.
That didnt last too long. 24 months and they were gone.
 
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