Gun Vault Installation (5 big photos)
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a1abdj
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This was something I had in stock, but isn't the typical door I would have. I do get them from time to time depending on the circumstances. The demand for used vault doors is small when compared to other products, so there are not a lot of people that deal in them.
We can ship them anywhere in the country, or if you PM me and give me your location, I can see if there's anybody near you that's in this business.
Doors from gun safe manufacturers typically run in the $3K to $6K range. Most basements are not simply square boxes anymore, and this allows you to build a room by adding one wall and a ceiling to the design.
Commercial doors start in the $5k range used, and can exceed 6 figures. New commercial doors start in the $6K range for lighter doors, and around $20K for bank type doors.
The prefab units are also available through myself, or others in the safe business. Although you can probably find some basic info online, the companies won't tell you much about their products. These units are installed in high security applications, and the manufacturers don't want the public to know much about them.
On occasion, I can find used units.
If you PM me your location, I can see who's in your area. The local bank isn't a bad place to start either. Just ask them which company services their equipment, and call them. Some service companies don't sell these items themselves, but if they don't, they'll work closely with somebody who does.
Seancass
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this stuff is really interesting. thanks a lot for posting. i dont own anything even as valuable as that door, but it's still very cool!
WSM MAGNUM
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That is a very nice vault. But I`m thinking, is the owner going to have the vault climate controlled? Spending that kind of money on a vault and not having the air controlled would not be very good for the guns, and what if someone gets locked in accidently. Speaking of the latter, I would even put in a communications line.
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WOW .. I am JEALOUS!
Schutzen
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Source of doors; Bowling Green Bank Vault Company, Bowling Green, KY
1-800-726-0337
1-800-726-0337
a1abdj
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Typically only light duty doors are equipped to open from the inside (gun safe manufacturer and record room doors). Bank quality doors do not have an internal release mechanism for security reasons.
Without giving away any security secrets, I will say that these types of doors will not just close and lock. There is an additional step in the door closing process that allows the door to lock. A criminal wouldn't be able to march you into the vault and lock you inside it, even if he shut the door and turned the handle.
People have still been locked in vaults, and usually, there is a small electric fan mounted in or near the door that will allow outside air into the vault. Most vaults in commercial use are time locked. If you're locked inside of one, you'll probably end up spending the night.
I would assume this vault will be climate & humidity controlled from within. Running ductwork into a vault from outside defeats the purpose of the security the vault is supposed to offer. Electric, telephone, and a second set of alarm lines are pretty standard also.
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Too many years ago, an incident occurred where I rushed to the location to interview, and investigate.
Folks locked in a walk in vault and due to circumstances I will not share, almost ran out of oxygen.
Within 24 hours, all of our people, business and home walk in vaults had tanks for air to breath, and those that did not have "alternate" communications, alarms and the like, did.
Other measures taken as well.
Like other situations, the faces and voices of relating such experiences, stuck with me, and also with others that have seen and heard the experiences shared.
a1abdj
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The door is approximately 4.5" of layered metal alloys.
The concrete is a high PSI mix, 12" thick, with alternating layers of heavy rebar. These concrete walls look similar to regular house foundation walls, but they are very different. A door like this can apply over 12,000 pounds of pressure on that wall when taking into account the weight of the door, and the pressure applied on the jack screws to secure it.
Fella's;
If you want to shop for a vault door, please feel free to shop with me. Graffunder builds vault doors. One can be built to your dimensions. They are specifically made for home install, which doesn't mean it's a weekend D.I.Y., but does mean that it's possible without major structural revamping.
Prices are not set, too many variables. Do you want re-bar weldment points, or not? Flush sill? etc, etc. However, to ball park it, figure on $5,000.00 as a minimum. Bugleing elk decals are extra and don't improve the protection, as always.
900F
If you want to shop for a vault door, please feel free to shop with me. Graffunder builds vault doors. One can be built to your dimensions. They are specifically made for home install, which doesn't mean it's a weekend D.I.Y., but does mean that it's possible without major structural revamping.
Prices are not set, too many variables. Do you want re-bar weldment points, or not? Flush sill? etc, etc. However, to ball park it, figure on $5,000.00 as a minimum. Bugleing elk decals are extra and don't improve the protection, as always.
900F
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LOL!
I thought about one day putting in a small vault off the master bedroom if I ever get to build my dream house. then I realized there was a good possibility the futur Mrs. bigghoss might take it over with "important" junk like birth certificates and heirlooms and other dumb crap. so I figured I'd have to put another elsewhere in said fantasy house for the guns I wouldn't use for HD. probably off my den/reloading room/gun workshop.
George Hill
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The room you are installing that door for... It's almost big enough.
a1abdj
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Graffunder builds one heck of a product, and I prefer them over some of the other names often mentioned for this type of door. CB900F is a dealer for them, and contributes often on this forum.
If you're looking for something similar to these photos, you can call or PM me. Most of my products are commercial, so none of them come with the elk decal, but I do deal in a lot of antique and stainless doors.
Most of the commercial doors are time locking. He can slit whoevers throat he wants, because even with the combinations dialed the door won't open. They make stickers that explain this in both english and spanish. Not a bad thing to stick onto any safe as a potential throat slashing prevention.
Not if the bomb lands on the roof of the vault. If you look at the photos from WWII, there were many vaults that remained standing in Japan. It's usually not the blast that kills you, but the fallout afterwords. A few feet of dirt on top of you, and a week or so of supplies, and you should be OK to come out.
Damn, that's not a gun vault for a few guns. How about the cement walls around the vault. Did you re-enforce them with a metal cage before poring the cement? Did he ask you to leave them out of the plans submitted to the county registrar office? A little strange if there are no air vents, for a room of that size, I would seriously be concerned. Make sure there's no open pits for him to get rid of you after you are finished building it...
That's just too strange, I've seen plenty of structures like this but non that involved only a door, lack of planning, and a HUGE vault room like that. Something is going on that he doesn't want you to know.
If I were to guess he's going to put in false wall over the door.
That's just too strange, I've seen plenty of structures like this but non that involved only a door, lack of planning, and a HUGE vault room like that. Something is going on that he doesn't want you to know.
If I were to guess he's going to put in false wall over the door.
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a1abdj
CB900F
I appreciate your sharing with us all.
Re: Time Locks and Hostage.
This is what I raised into.
This is why I, a1abdj, CB900F, Jeff White, BullfrogKen and others, share some of what we do.
There are different calibers of Criminals, some are street punks and flip houses and a $59 safe from the Big Box store, might be the deterrent.
There are others that are Professional Enough , and serious enough, to Kidnap folks, use Burning Lances , bypass alarms and other things.
Don't Advertise, Keep you mouth shut, Never be Predictable, Educate and Keep up with what is going on and other things , will assist in keeping you and yours safe.
Professional Safe/Lock/Alarm Folks have resources and are really good at giving tips, they will not share on Public Internet.
Be it a walk in vault in a home,or business. Software, not hardware still applies to having a Walk-In Vault.
Time-Locks...yeah, one of them things that will deter, or piss off someone and slit your throat anyway.
Best deal, is to NOT get into that situation in the first place.
Stickers for Time Locks and Keep fingers away from edge of door upon closing, are there for a reason.
You can lose your finger(s )in a split second if you do not heed that warning.
I grew up with all these concerns, and part of what shapes some of my take on matters.
This walk in vault pictured in this thread?
I have a buddy with 5 of these in his Business location and 3 at home.
Only a few of us even know about all this, and I assure you, you will have a hard time picking him and his family out as having all this security.
He and family have practiced plans and training. Still he and family can look you in the eye and say -"Guns, we thought only Police and Military could have guns?"
The fact they just got back from shooting some Class III and all are CCW, will never be picked up on.
Legit business, not paranoid, just how real business is done, and has for a long long time.
Just how some folks live, and have for a long long time as well.
CB900F
I appreciate your sharing with us all.
Re: Time Locks and Hostage.
This is what I raised into.
This is why I, a1abdj, CB900F, Jeff White, BullfrogKen and others, share some of what we do.
There are different calibers of Criminals, some are street punks and flip houses and a $59 safe from the Big Box store, might be the deterrent.
There are others that are Professional Enough , and serious enough, to Kidnap folks, use Burning Lances , bypass alarms and other things.
Don't Advertise, Keep you mouth shut, Never be Predictable, Educate and Keep up with what is going on and other things , will assist in keeping you and yours safe.
Professional Safe/Lock/Alarm Folks have resources and are really good at giving tips, they will not share on Public Internet.
Be it a walk in vault in a home,or business. Software, not hardware still applies to having a Walk-In Vault.
Time-Locks...yeah, one of them things that will deter, or piss off someone and slit your throat anyway.
Best deal, is to NOT get into that situation in the first place.
Stickers for Time Locks and Keep fingers away from edge of door upon closing, are there for a reason.
You can lose your finger(s )in a split second if you do not heed that warning.
I grew up with all these concerns, and part of what shapes some of my take on matters.
This walk in vault pictured in this thread?
I have a buddy with 5 of these in his Business location and 3 at home.
Only a few of us even know about all this, and I assure you, you will have a hard time picking him and his family out as having all this security.
He and family have practiced plans and training. Still he and family can look you in the eye and say -"Guns, we thought only Police and Military could have guns?"
The fact they just got back from shooting some Class III and all are CCW, will never be picked up on.
Legit business, not paranoid, just how real business is done, and has for a long long time.
Just how some folks live, and have for a long long time as well.
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a1abdj,
First, Thank you for the wonderful informative post.
Second,
First, Thank you for the wonderful informative post.
Second,
, They must be some expensive cigars...
bigun15
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Yeah he runs this place.
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