Grumulkin
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Maybe you've seen this before. I though it interesting.
http://www.grandviewoutdoors.com/gu...XcXR2YUhweEJLeTZDYmNsM0d2elwvWktpUFFUUT0ifQ==
http://www.grandviewoutdoors.com/gu...XcXR2YUhweEJLeTZDYmNsM0d2elwvWktpUFFUUT0ifQ==
Gun Violence Compared to Gun Ownership
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Yes, the US doesn't have as many firearms deaths as that list of ten third world countries.
The US is number eleven on that list. The next First World nation is Finland, at number 22.
Not a particularly admirable statistic, and a really lousy article that uses our status at number 11 to hide us just off the top 10.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
The US is number eleven on that list. The next First World nation is Finland, at number 22.
Not a particularly admirable statistic, and a really lousy article that uses our status at number 11 to hide us just off the top 10.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
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Sunray
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There's no such thing as 'gun violence'. That's a leftist media hack invented term that blames an inanimate object for the criminal actions of people.
You'll note the countries with the least ownership are places with raging poverty and virtually no central government. Kind of suspect the 0.4 for Ethiopia and the .5 for Eritrea isn't right either. Unless they only counted the peasants and left the assorted war lords and their gangs out.
You'll note the countries with the least ownership are places with raging poverty and virtually no central government. Kind of suspect the 0.4 for Ethiopia and the .5 for Eritrea isn't right either. Unless they only counted the peasants and left the assorted war lords and their gangs out.
The article is referencing "firearms deaths". The world "violence" doesn't appear in the article or the Wikipedia stats. Those deaths include homicide, accidents, suicide and undetermined deaths where a firearm was the cause of death.
He wasn't talking about the report, he was referring to the title of this conversation-
"Gun Violence Compared to Gun Ownership"
Yup. The OP misread the article.
"Gun violence" would have to include injuries as well as deaths.
Old Dog
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I also detest the phrase, "gun violence." I'm tired of us allowing the media to continue its collective attempt to brainwash the populace that guns are the cause of any type of violence.
Saw a headline in a metro paper, "Gun violence leads to another bloody weekend." Really? Maybe instead: "Gang members with criminal records, already illegally possessing (probably stolen) firearms, shot other gang members over the weekend."
Buying into (ourselves using) the buzzwords and catchphrases used by the liberal media and anti-gun factions further allows others to frame the debate in ways we should find highly objectionable and gives them handy little responses and sound-bites they find so convenient in the face of logic and statistics.
Saw a headline in a metro paper, "Gun violence leads to another bloody weekend." Really? Maybe instead: "Gang members with criminal records, already illegally possessing (probably stolen) firearms, shot other gang members over the weekend."
Buying into (ourselves using) the buzzwords and catchphrases used by the liberal media and anti-gun factions further allows others to frame the debate in ways we should find highly objectionable and gives them handy little responses and sound-bites they find so convenient in the face of logic and statistics.
Michael Tinker Pearce
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The whole 'gun violence' thing is a misnomer. We don't blame cars for drunk drivers; why blame guns for criminals? It's also popular to ignore the fact that violent crime and homicide have dropped every year for well over a decade despite multiple-victim shooting sprees etc.- which don't even account for a blip in homicide statistics. It's also starting to appear that some European nations are fiddling with definitions to artificially reduce their murder statistics, but I need to look into that further before saying for certain.
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I agree a UK rag citing a Swiss rag is not a strong foundation for drawing conclusions.
I'm not going to lock it yet but it is close.
I'm not going to lock it yet but it is close.
The UK rag and Swiss rag appear to have correct enough numbers. The US rag with the link in the OP is the one that is attempting a deception.
I agree with you 100%. When anyone says to me, "gun violence," I always tell them the same as you. "There is no such thing as 'gun violence.' Criminals using illegally obtained firearms kill and hurt other people. A gun is an inanimate object. It can not commit any act of violence."
Don't let the ignorant liberals get away with it, boys and girls.
L.W.
A massive amount of gun deaths are Suicides. No gun to do that? Drowning/Step in front of train/bus/truck. Cut wrists and on, and on!
I do not know the numbers, of suicides? 25% but they are not all shootings. And the most homicides? Gang shootings, by criminals, in Gangs, not even legally owned firearms.
So you can take them off the list of owned firearms.
I do not know the numbers, of suicides? 25% but they are not all shootings. And the most homicides? Gang shootings, by criminals, in Gangs, not even legally owned firearms.
So you can take them off the list of owned firearms.
Red Wind
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Suicides make up almost 2/3 of the annual toll of firearms related deaths. In 2013 over 21,000 out of approximately 33,000 were suicides as we see from this graph.
"We compiled data on all deaths for 2013 from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. We drilled down especially deep on fatal injuries, of which suicides and homicides are one component."
Those numbers had previously surprised me - the homicide rate by gun vs non-gun. I had assumed that domestic murders wouldn't be as heavily gun, but they are. However, one stat I read suggested that 80% of all homicides in the US were "gang related".
Double Naught Spy
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I think gun related violence is perceived as being so bad because it is a part of the catchy headlines. Gun owners are part of the perception problem as well, preparing for mass shootings when in reality, they are much more likely to be killed by a family member, friend, or somebody known the them.
If you want to play around with the numbers for the U.S. regarding causes of death and injury--here is the raw data from the CDC as well as an online way analyze the data.
https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/
https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/
Vonderek
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As others mentioned, the great majority of deaths are suicides. The U.S. is ranked 50th in the world for suicides and is way behind other first-world countries like South Korea, Japan, and Finland...countries with strict gun control measures. That's why the quote attributed to Benjamin Disraeli is so apt...."lies, damn lies, and statistics."
The great majority of gun deaths in the US is suicide. We are #1 in the world for gun suicides.
However, we are #18 for gun homicides, and #1 for gun homicides among First World countries. But we aren't #1 for First World homicide rates - more like 5th.
CapnMac
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Would have been far more informative if any of the surveys uses apples-to-apples numbers, which would take about 22,000 out of the total number for the US.
No other nations lumps it's suicides in with homicides--the numbers in western Europe & Japan would be appalling.
My calculators says 11,000 / 3400 is 3.24 per 100,000, which is barely in the top 20 for "developed" nations. Knock the 4 most violent US cities out of the National statistics, and we are barely on the lists at all.
No other nations lumps it's suicides in with homicides--the numbers in western Europe & Japan would be appalling.
My calculators says 11,000 / 3400 is 3.24 per 100,000, which is barely in the top 20 for "developed" nations. Knock the 4 most violent US cities out of the National statistics, and we are barely on the lists at all.
And yet the left likes to include them in stats for "children" killed by guns. Sure, they are young, but it isn't little Suzy or Tiwanna being shot by careless family members, it's gang bangers being killed by gang bangers.
How are they not children?
I'm always a little perplexed that we live in a country where an 18 year old can't get sexual consent from a 16 year old, but if the 16 year old killed the 18 year old they would suddenly be an "adult".
There would be no real juvenile gangs if there weren't adults supplying drugs and a whole ton of other adults from all strata buying them.
Let's call it death via firearms. "Firearms deaths" either implies the firearm was at fault, or the firearm died...both of which are incorrect.
The thing is, there is nothing "gun related" about any of it. Most all of it is drug/gang related.
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