Gunman in the Mall, right now!!!!!

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No prejudice here!

> Any reports on perp/perps? Islamic nutcase?

Yeah, coz we just have so many shootings by them in our Malls every day. :banghead:
 
It will take a while to sort things out after CNN and the like interview hysterical people and pass on many rumors. At this point ,7:00 pm Kingston NY time , there was ONE shooter [not three or four] with a 'military type' rifle who ran out of ammo and was aprehended by a store employee [Best Buy].One seriously injured who was medivaced. The whole area was in lock down ,everyone searched, and apparently every cop from miles around attended !!
 
Ah, the Hudson Valley Mall. I worked there occasionally in a past life.

What happened, noone there armed and prepared to return fire?

Imagine that...

:barf:
 
Ar these illigal in NY State. I can't wait to see what it really was.
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Well, it's kind of impossible to tell the difference between a real AK-47 and something like a SAR-1 from a great distance. But then again it might not have been anything near an AK-47. For many people, that's the only non-black military rifle they know the name of, so automatically anything that looks military and has wood on it is an AK-47.

My guess? Ruger 10/22 or Marlin 60. These are highly dangerous offensive weapons and need to be added to the new AWB pronto. ;)
 
Fox online said the wounded (shot in the leg) was an Army recruiter who did not appear to be the target per se. Probably just ran to the sound of the guns like he was trained.

The suspect was apparently apprehended by a Best Buy clerk after he ran dry.
 
Rather humbling to be caught by a Best Buy clerk instead of the SWAT cop. :p Regardless of who caught him, I'm glad he has been stopped and is out of circulation.
 
Here's the NY story

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/02/13/mall.shooting/index.html
Witnesses seize New York mall shooter
At least 2 people reported in hospitals

Sunday, February 13, 2005 Posted: 6:42 PM EST (2342 GMT)


(CNN) -- A gunman is in custody after opening fire Sunday afternoon and injuring at least two people at Hudson Valley Mall in upstate New York, police said.

Police said one person suffered a gunshot wound to the leg and another appeared to suffer a shrapnel or glass wound to the hand.

Beth Engeler, a spokeswoman at Albany Medical Center, said one person was being treated there and that, as of 6 p.m., authorities told her another person was on the way.

Police said the shooting appeared to be the work of a lone, male gunman who was apprehended by witnesses after running out of ammunition for his "assault-type rifle."

Authorities were interviewing witnesses to determine if anyone else was involved, said James Sottile, mayor of the nearby town of Kingston.

The large suburban mall is one of the most popular shopping centers in the area, and was crowded at the time of the shooting, Sottile said.

All the entrances were closed, said freelance reporter Jeanne Lenzer, who was at the mall.

"Police are everywhere," she said. "They're trying to make sure there are not other shooters."

The wounded person was taken by helicopter to Albany Medical Center, about an hour away, Lenzer said police told her.

Jana Decker told CNN she was at the mall with her boyfriend when they heard the shots, which sounded like fireworks.

"A few minutes later, we seen a whole mob of people coming through the mall," she said. "We turned around and ran with them."

The shooter appears to have started at one end of the mall and ended at the other, she said.

"I guess they passed just as we were running out, so I did not get to visually see them, but the shots we heard were very close."

With the mall packed with shoppers on a Sunday afternoon, "people were just tripping over each other trying to get out," she said.

Assistant Fire Chief Wayne Platte told CNN he was inside a candle shop when he saw a crowd of people running down the hall of the mall.

"It looked as though they were moving in to observe a fight, possibly," he said.

"I heard a couple of pops, gunfire," he said, adding that it sounded like automatic weapons fire. At that point, he said, he took cover behind the counter of the shop.

The mall was locked down, and store employees were taken out one at a time and loaded onto buses.

Kingston is about 87 miles north of New York City, and the mall is in a rural area just south of the Catskill Mountains in Ulster County.

Officials said there does not appear to be any link to terrorism.

CNN's Jeanne Meserve contributed to this report.
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BG in Custody - Ran Out of Ammunition

Bad Guy is in Custody. Apparently when he ran out of ammunition, he dropped his weapon on the mall floor, raised his hands and -- GET THIS -- he surrendered to a janitor for crying out loud.
 
A mall full of people and he hits only 2?

Very strange.

I'm glad he WAS stupid enough to run out of ammo. It could've been much worse.

Maybe he just wanted to shoot up the mall and the wounded got in the way. I also would venture a guess that the recruiter was headed in the direction of the gunfire. Last I heard he was critical.
 
I don't really understand the concept of unarmed security. I do understand that not every employer wants their employees to work armed for liability purposes but security should be armed.
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i disagree. unarmed rent-a-boobs are bad enough. those predisposed to become rent-a-boobs almost always have personality disorders.

i know, some amongst THR are in the employ of 'private security', but to me, the entire concept is an abomination, fueled by the cowardice of the citizen that refuses to take the responsibility of his/her own security into their own hands, but would rather pay someone else to do it for them.
 
He only hit one who was not even aimed at .The other injury is non gun related. Apparently still in lock down 7 hours later !!! Ran out of ammo - always carry enough ammo .
 
I bet hillary has a AWB bill ready to go. This is what they want . These attacks around country so they can say we told you and the new one will last forever not 10 years.
 
From all the hipe I hear from "So called Chief of Police's" is how devistating these weapons are so let me try to understand this. A guy uses a "so called Assault Weapon" in a mall and there is no "loss of limbs" or "loss of life?" :rolleyes:
 
Apparently the one wounded in the leg may lose it. Never a good situation. If anyone remembers, I posted a news story up here late last month about a northern PA gun store being jacked for over a 100 pistols and rifles. I wonder what the chances are of this guy's weapon being among those stolen? If it was a stolen weapon, at least it'l give the legal gun owners a little bit of breathing room.
 
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