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Guns & Ammo - .300 Whisper?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Navy_Guns, Jun 7, 2011.

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  1. Navy_Guns

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    Here's yet another article from G&A hyping something as "new & great" when it's certainly not. The ballistics they quote for the Hornady .300 Whisper ammo (110 gr. V-Max @ 2,288 fps, 208 gr. A-Max @ 923 fps) are supposed to be exciting? QuickLoad confirmed what I thought - you can do all that and more with the 7.62x39 cartridge. I'm feeling more and more like the $5 I spent for my G&A subscription would have been better spent on a McDonald's Happy Meal.
     
  2. Zak Smith

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    The benefit of .300 Whisper/Fireball/Blackout is that it works a lot better in an AR-15 than 7.62x39.
     
  3. Navy_Guns

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    Okay, but if you have 7.62x39 brass, you can cover that entire performance range and then some with an SKS or AK platform. G&A tends to spin everything as the greatest thing since smokeless powder when a little homework will show that it's been done before, at least 5 times, by people who don't buy ad space.
     
  4. Zak Smith

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    Did SSK buy ad space?
     
  5. Jim Watson

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    Well, you could cover the weight-velocity range with an SKS or AK but you would be hard pressed to equal the accuracy of a Whisper or copy out of an AR.

    A guy on one of the other boards reports good shooting with subsonic 7.62 AK in one of those CZ bolt actions, though.
     
  6. Owen

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    the .300 whisper is really for shooting 200 and 220 grain bullets from an AR-15 platform.

    And if Hornady is selling factory loads for it, that is news. the cartridge itself is about 15 years old, IIRC, and I'm not sure than anyone has ever manufactured ammo for it on a commercial scale.

    It's not the ballistics that's exciting, its the packaging. I assume this is an effort to cut into the .300 blackout market, and maybe get JD Jones some of the royalties he deserves.
     
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  7. Navy_Guns

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    No, SSK was only mentioned by name twice in the article. Hornady got 8 name drops in the article, one on the cover, and 4 boxes of ammo prominently positioned in photos in the article. I'm not bashing Hornady, J.D. Jones, or the .300 Whisper - I was just commenting that the G&A adicle makes this sound like a breakthrough in rifle ballistics when it's not. I mentioned the 7.62x39 as just one example that has more ballistic versatility than what's advertised for Hornady's Whisper ammo, but you could probably do the same ballistics in numerous other cartridges and platforms. I find it disappointing that the magazine doesn't attempt to consider this point because they wouldn't want to poison the well with their advertisers.
     
  8. TexasPatriot.308

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    the 300 whisper in an AR platform.....good luck finding the ammo when the SHTF....stick to more common sense available ARs unless you got lots of money to burn on a rifle that will pretty much be useless to you. mags like G&A make their money off advertising so they will give good reviews to good clients.
     
  9. Owen

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    good thing guns have other uses than SHTF.
     
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    well if and when the SHTF and you spent all your money on this one rifle, it will be an expensive club.
     
  11. Coltdriver

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    Well if 300 Whisper ticks you off your gonna really howl when you read about the 300 BLK.

    Thats the SAMMI spec'd version of the 300 whisper.

    The cool thing about this cartridge to me is that you can match AK47 performance on about 18 grains of powder. That stretches a pound of powder nicely.

    Or you can launch supressed 240 grain smks out a 1000 yards and the percent of velocity they retain on impact is just impressive.

    Several manufacturers are coming out with 300 Blackout in the 110 to 129 grain range soon.

    Didn't mean to aggravate you:neener:
     
  12. SharpsDressedMan

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    I shoot .300 Whisper, load my own, and when the SHTF scenarios develope, I'll have enough. Readiness is about planning, not cartridge or caliber.
     
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    I was looking into an AR in 7.62x39 but all that I talked to said getting it to be reliable was a horror show. Plus I live in a state where I'm restricted to 10 rd mags. Can't say I've seen loads for the 7.62x39 with more than a 150gr bullet.
    I have an upper in 300 Blackout and so far it's worked out well. I've put only 150 or so rounds thru it and it has been reliable to a fault and I can use my AR mags in it. 20 rds have been Remington factory 220 gr subsonic and with earplugs in and no suppressor all I can hear is the bolt moving back and forth. I've made 1500 cases out of 223 brass,took about a week but I got it done. The only modifications I made was an H2 buffer and a Wolff XP recoil spring as the case rims were getting mangled and brass was thrown quite a distance. CorBon has been making 300 Whisper ammo for several years now IIRC. Oh the 300 uses a .308 bullet and you can always find them as opposed to the .311 bullet of the 7.62x39.
     
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    300 Whisper as a FACTORY offering is the story.
     
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    Are these loaded in standard AR mags to full mag capacity? I've got a spare lower I've been looking at playing with, and have been thinking something different would be fun. Saw a well priced .300blk upper and think it would make a good fit between going all nuts with the .45"+ uppers while still being a little more than a standard .223.
     
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    The 300 Whisper is about 20 years old actually, I started shooting mine soon after JD developed his round. It was designed from the start to launch a heavy (200-240gr) bullet at sub sonic speeds for use through a suppressor. All that is required to change a standard AR in .223/5.56X45 to the 300 Whisper is a barrel change. It uses the same mags and bolt.

    As for folks who think they will be able to scavenge ammo if the shtf all I can say is you need to stop dreaming and start stocking up...what you have on hand will likely be all you will ever have in any caliber. Learn to reload and stock up components as well.
     
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    another flash in the pan for the ever expanding list of cartridges that never had a chance but thanks to magazine articles they thought they just might until they died.

    Nothing new here in the cartridge or the story.
     
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    well if and when the SHTF and you spent all your money on this one rifle, it will be an expensive club.

    Well, the SHTF in Joplin, MO, we haven't even cleaned up yet, and guess what, a backhoe is a lot more valuable than some rifle. There has not been one reported incident of gunfire - despite the looters and scam artists flocking in.

    Fantasy gamer expectations are hilarious in the face of reality. At least the flooding on the Mississippi and Missouri gives people enough warning to move out.

    G&A - just got the latest "Book of the AR-15" and it follows along with the OP's intent. Overstatement and exaggeration are stock items in the writer's trade there. The reprints of articles first published in the early 60's about the new wonderweapon are particularly interesting. The format! hasn't! changed! in! over! 45! years!

    If anything, it's a complete sellout to piston makers, and as such, you wonder why. Are shooters not lining up to get them? Considering the prices, it's possible the market with that much discretionary income to blow on a recreational gun is finally saturated.

    After all, nobody uses them much for SHTF - likely they grab a Glock and a flashlight to see which raccoon is rolling the grille off the deck. More likely to need a Grease Hits The Deck gun, or Raccoon Reproductive Reorientator.

    If you haven't been out of your Mom's basement yet this week, can I recommend some Vitamin D absorption? An afternoon spent piling rafters and joists at the curb with 8,000 other former homeowners in town does wonders for understanding REAL life.
     
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    I've already got an AR-15 in 7.62x39mm calibre, but I hadn't thought about loading it up with 180-200 grain subsonic loads. I don't think I've seen any loads published anywhere for bullets in that range to match the .300 Whisper, has anybody else? In the G&A article, it talks about having to adjust the size of the gas port to cycle reliably with heavy bullets and high vs low velocity loads, so that would seem to be the sticking point for a semi-auto rifle like the AR-15 or the Ruger Mini30.
     
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    My upper is a standard non adjustable gas port made by Noveske and has functioned with both handloads of various bullet weights and factory loads. No offense to Mr Jones but the prices he wants for his upper are out of my price line.
     
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    In an apples to apples comparison the 6.8 will out preform it with 110 grain bullets.
     
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    Wow. This thread has got it all: misunderstanding of the OP's thesis, unrequested advice, off topic caliber comparison, a little trash talk, and some accused trollage. Guess the only thing left to do is go shoot some subsonic ammo at 1000yds before this thing gets locked up!
     
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    You are absulutely right. I'd go with the happy meal, but restaurant recommendations are off topic here at high road...............
     
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    If you don't like it don't buy it, but I enjoy reading about the ideas and interests of others despite how hair-brained and useless the concept may seem to me.
     
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    LOL.
     
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