Guns for Pot

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I have a slight problem with the connection implied with guns+pot. I do agree we need to relax current marijuna laws like the rest of the civilized world. I also think some plants like tobacco & pot should be legal to grow on your own property in very small amounts(private use only, not for sale)
 
I can't grow a plant at my house for myself that threatens industry, can't own a gun that threatens politicians and criminals. Sound like they go in the same bag to me.

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I can't see any logical reason for gun control, or pot control. In both cases it is merely a case of others deciding what they think is best for you. Or, more accurately, deciding that since they don't like something that you do like, you can't have it. After all, who are we to decide for ourselves?
 
A compromise that crossed my mind once, when wiretapping and surveillance were all over the news...

In exchange for the citizens allowing the gov to have all the wiretapping and surveillance technology and authority it wants, the gov would remove all firearms restrictions and allow the citizens to own any and all the firearms they wanted.

With the caveat, of course, that if the gov abused the authority the citizens would be in a well-armed position to deal with the infraction.

Fantasy, but I thought it was an interesting idea.
 
Sorry no Cigar

"There has never been a recorded case of a pot head going out and commiting a violent crime. "

This is a blanket statement that has no documentation.
Violent Crimes are in fact committed by people using and trafficking in "Controlled Substances", and you can't say that Pot users are any less prone to Violent acts than Drunks were during the Prohibition.
That being said I think that this country is wasting a significant amount of revenue on the "War on Drugs" and sacrificing more revenue by not Taxing Marijuanna.
 
never tried pot so i really don't care if it's deregulated or not... but i guess i've never seen an amendment to constitution that said "the right to grow and smoke marjuana shall not be infringed".....................from what i understand most pot users just get tired and hungry from smoking it..... i spose someone might try to rob ya for some hambuger money or something:D ............
 
It's well known that pot use generally doesn't lead to violent behavior. Crack and meth are a whole different story.

An old story I remember from long ago, back in my tokin' days:

3 men came to the closed gates of a walled city and wanted to get in. One was tripping on acid, one was drunk and one was high on pot. The drunk said, "Lets smash down the gates and break in". The tripper said "No, lets just fly over the wall". The pothead said "Why don't we just sit here and wait til they open the gates?"

While oversimplified, its pretty spot on. The violence and crime associated with pot use comes as a direct result of its illegality and the types or people who are drawn to it to make a buck, not from the drug itself.

It all comes back to my basic belief that I don't like the government telling me what I can and cannot do in my home, with my body, as long as it isn't hurting anyone else.
 
The War on Drugs has created a huge population of people (disproportionately young men of color) who have convictions on their records for what are basically bull**** crimes. They, in turn, lose their rights to vote and to keep and bear arms. That's no good, and could be called racist.

Josh
 
California already works that way.:eek: You can get a Dr. note and go down to the local dispensery and pick up your bag. You can also cultivate up to 6 plants for personal use.:confused:

Guns however...one per 30 days, AWB, possible future microstamping, ammo restrictions, and a bunch of other stupid laws. YET...carrying a concealed loaded handgun, if not a gang member, There is a defination, is a $200 misdemenor while carrying a knife concealed is a felony.:confused: :eek:

Californian politicians have it upside down and backwards. Instead of allowing free thinking, self protecting, responsible citizens. They'd rather have a populace of mind altered, non-thinking, easy to manipulate individuals. What's wrong with this picture?:confused: :confused:

It's sad that a responsible law abiding adult cannot CCW or protect themselves out of the home but... can get high even in public if they posess a Dr.s note/prescription for marijuana:( :rolleyes:
 
The Democrats are just as vested in the (Profitable) War on (Some) Drugs

Bingo.

never tried pot so i really don't care if it's deregulated or not... but i guess i've never seen an amendment to constitution that said "the right to grow and smoke marjuana shall not be infringed"

* Ninth Amendment – The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

* Tenth Amendment – The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
 
i really think it'd be a good idea to legalize marajuana. how many people are currently making and selling guns illegally? now, how many are making and selling marajuana? if you legalize it, farm it, manufacture it and regulate it you will drive out the illegal drug lords. could even keep it cheap at first to undercut their prices(and build addicts, er customers), then tax the bejeebus out of it and build better schools, hire more (good) cops, do all the other stuff the govt. currently sucks at doing, like enforcing the laws on the books.

other than similarites in execution, this matter is in no way related to the right to bear arms.
 
It is a well known Generalization that Pot does not lead to Violent behavior.
It is akin to the Antis using Age filters for firearms death without using Criminal filters when saying Children are dying from guns.
 
I agree that drugs should be legal due to reasons of personal liberty. But the "it grows out of the ground" thing is sorta a stupid excuse. Opium is a flower, and coke comes from a plant too. Now I think all these things should be legal, but not cause they grow out ground.
 
I think (in agreement with many others who have posted) that this thread starts out with a false premise.

I don't do drugs, and don't drink*, but certainly think that the State has *no business* (including the often dragged out "heavily regulated and taxed" kind of business) telling people what they can't smoke, snort or rub into their bellies, to the extent that they do these things without infringing on other people's rights / liberty / safety.

Do you have the right to enjoy a fine whiskey, if there is such a thing? Sure. But you don't have the right to do that while you're operating a train full of commuters.

Marijuana, likewise. (Etc, etc.)

I guess another way to think of things would be to put yourself in the shoes of Brer Rabbit -- for the various for-your-own-safety prohibitionists to each trade in their bannin' hammers for some common sense? Oh, no! Don't throw me in that briar patch!

timothy

* Depending on how you define things. I have an occasional bottle of Woodchuck cider, which is similar in alco-content to beer; however, I've never been drunk. Whether that's "drinking" in your mind, eh, well, that's in your mind :)
 
Who is fighting the War on Non-Approved Herbs?

I used to be a convinced anti on the drug issue, but after looking into the science, came to the conclusion that the war on cannabinoids is a bunch of bovine scatology.
 
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