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Guns I'd like to see being made in .327 Fed Mag

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  1. Frulk

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    I love my .357 mags and truth be told I'd buy any of the below in either caliber. Not saying these would sell in appreciable numbers, just that they would find their way into my safe.

    In a Ruger Hunter, unfluted cylinder, 6 shot. I'd prefer the extra steel around this caliber vs. another round so I could really run them right up too the max.

    In a Ruger 96 or M77 with a Mannlicher stock.

    In the Mini 14, so there's finally a semi auto rifle option for the round out there. If the Deerfield can run on a .44 Mag then this is doable. Or bring back the last version of the Deerfield.

    In the scaled down Lyman Sharps carbine.

    Ruger #1 with Mannlicher stock

    Winchester Low-wall/High-wall/Remington Rolling Block all with a light, tapered octagon barrel

    A Desert Eagle scaled to the round to fill the side arm semi auto option void.

    Special thanks to Henry for stepping up and providing the lever option that would have made this list otherwise.
     
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  2. WestKentucky

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    I would add bond arms derringer and a 4” Charter mag pug for backpacking. The caliber is plenty powerful for anything up to whitetail assuming you aren’t shooting a half mile, so a portable gun that is powerful with enough sight plane to aim properly would be great. I would say the sp101 would be enough, but it’s too heavy and I want DA so that takes the single seven out as well, but kudos to ruger for making the 327 hang around long enough to hopefully survive.
     
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    Ruger bolt action rifle in 375 H&H not in 375 Ruger
     
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    Is there an appreciable difference between a Ruger 96 and the Henry offering in 327 mag?

    Other than aesthetics of course.

    However, I see now many of your ideas are for Ruger products. Well you want what you want but Henry does offer a stopgap for your 327 lever gun want.
     
  5. Crosshair

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    As someone who loves the 32 H&R, they really screwed up with the 327.

    Who in their right mind thought a 45,000 PSI pocket revolver cartridge was a good idea? Probably someone in marketing who likes big numbers. The 35,000 PSI of the 357 Magnum would have been the reasonable number.

    Too much blast for not enough gain. Guns are also heavier than 32 H&R guns.

    What are your thoughts on the Henry 32 guns? I need to read up on how they do on a diet of just 32 H&R.

    https://www.henryusa.com/caliber/327-fed-magnum-32-hr-mag/
     
  6. sequins

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    I'd love a 327 doublestack Coonan. Pure fantasy, but still fun to imagine.
     
  7. WestKentucky

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    Agreed. My Taurus snubby is a full steel frame and it is too heavy to carry. Barks and bucks pretty good, but not any worse than other snub nosed magnums. The pressure and lack of performance increase can be justified in a gp100 or similar gun because it does see some benefit in a longer barrel and the big guns are already big and heavy so you don’t notice it much, but most 327 guns are either pocket guns like mine, or are single actions, which single actions are OK but a lot of folks prefer the DA revolver. Pocket boomers need to be short and fat, not long and skinny.
     
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  8. Frulk

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    EarltheGoat, I already have the Henry Steel in .327 FM. Like it a lot. PERFECT platform for what it is. Would actually like to see it offered with the side load gate (only to give the option to top it off mid-stream) with a nice color case hardened receiver.

    Since in this thread I'm 'dreaming out loud' I tossed the 96 in there. Would look good in the safe next to the Henry.
     
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  9. Bfh_auto

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    I would like to see it in a low wall like you mentioned.
    A model 92 Winchester or Rossi would be on my short list.
    One of the smaller S&W DA revolvers with a 5" barrel would be sweet.
     
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  10. bannockburn

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    A blued Ruger Single Six in a Bisley configuration with a 6" barrel and a windage adjustable rear sight. For a long gun to go along with it: a Rossi Model 92.
     
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    Henry Single Shot in it would be nice and not a crazy ask.

    Would like an 8 or better round DA revolver with rails top/bottom.

    Some other great ideas already listed! The DE would be nice. I like the round a lot. As for the bark, I use it more in a longer barrel as a small game gun so that is less of an issue. In a short barrel I can see it being loud, but you usually get another round so its a trade off.
     
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  12. labnoti

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    It seems to me that .327 Magnum was conceived as a pocket snub-nosed revolver cartridge and that there has been little produced along a different theme (cartridge and bullet wise). The pocket snub theme has engendered mostly 80 and 100 grain loadings whereas this cartridge would need a 125 or 130 grain bullet to have similar sectional density to the most popular 38/357 or .30 Carbine loadings. The long case should easily accommodate the longer bullet. With only 100 grain jacketed bullets available, I'm just not interested.

    As it is, the 30 Carbine is a better starting place, especially considering all the 300 Blackout bullets that could be adopted for it -- as long as we're talking about single shots and other completely new guns (I'm talking about the cartridge, not the M1 rifle). Curiously, the 30 Carbine cartridge was developed from another "32", the 32 Winchester Self Loading. That cartridge could also be of interest, but again I'm dismayed by the pathetic selection of bullets compared to .308" and .357"
     
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  13. Armybrat

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    PC Carbine in .327.
    (Yeah, I know)
     
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  14. Frulk

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    Yup. Heavier jacketed bullets are a thin lot so to speak in the .32 cal slot. Lots of heavier cast options out there however.

    I shoot 120 grainers with gas checks starting to approach 1,400 FPS in handguns. I have no doubt I’ll get there without too much drama.

    Edited to add: B Pierce in his Handloader article got to 1,400 with AA # 9 and a hard cast 130 grainer. It will be interesting to see what that number will be in the Henry 20 inch rifle and what, if any accuracy it produces.

    I reload for it and find it an interesting proposition. Fast. Potentially temperamental. Laser like trajectory for a handgun round. Currently available in some platforms I’m very interested in. I just spend an e-mail discussion yesterday with another mbr exchanging data on our heavy cast loads. Kinda cool being somewhat on the leading edge for a change. Not much info out there once you go north of 120 grains.

    Lots of folks can find shortcomings with the .327 FM round. Much as with any other. I’m not one of them.
     
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    I'd like to see a Ruger American bolt action for it.

    But I'd be even happier if they put the 357 in the American 1st since I don't have any 327 chambered guns.
     
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    https://www.federalpremium.com/rifle/hammerdown/11-LG327F1.html
    Federal is supposedly coming out with a 127gr line of ammo designed for rifle shooting. If that gets some traction maybe whoever makes that bullet will offer it as a reloading component. As far as a gun in 327 I wonder how big a cylinder would have to be for a 9 or 10 shot. If a 5 shot 38 cal is equivalent size to a 6 shot 32 cal you'd think a 2 or 3 extra have a chance of fitting in an 8 shot 38 cal. A single shot would interest me as well as a 22lr replacement for small game but I'd realistically look to get a barrel for a TC encore before I'd buy a Henry or some other single. I am reading up now on developing wildcats to see if it would be possible to give the same super magnum treatment the 327 got to the 32 ACP. Maybe cut down a 30 carbine case to a more pistol length cartridge...
     
  17. JERRY

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    the LCR with a 3" bbl. in this caliber.
     
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  18. Bfh_auto

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    The 100 grain .312 bullet has similar SD to the 125 gr .357 bullet. This is what it's designed for.
    If you want to have better SD. There are heavier cast bullets available.
    I agree the 327 missed the boat with the pocket gun crowd when it should have been marketed to the I want to hunt small game but want something bigger than a 22.
    This is like comparing a 357 and 44 mag. They're 2 different beasts.
     
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    My requirements?

    S&W
    K-Frame
    7 round cylinder
    3"
    Stainless

    I have a 6 round 3" SP101, but even after some serious work the trigger is not as good as any of my S&W revolvers.
     
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    Even if it took a large frame like a .44 I think in places where you can't have over 10rds it may sell. (plus, I just like the idea of 9 or 10 solid rounds in a revolver).

    Hope Fed does put out that ammo! Thanks for that info.

    You can get a Ruger in .30 carbine now so don't think I would go that path. Also, nice to have a rim on it if doing revolver stuff.
     
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    Nice, but a bit large. I'm thinking an S&W 52.
     
  22. Frulk

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    That Fed ammo is pretty pricey. $31.00 for 20. This is the kind of price range that kills caliber popularity for non-reloaders. I’m rolling my own 120 grain RNFPGC rounds that are coming out of the Henry 20 inch barrel at over 1,700 vs. the Feds 127 grain at 1,660 FPS.

    On the 8+ shot .327 FM revolver suggestion above. Depending on what platform we’re discussing It’s already been done. Remember that the GP100 came in a .327 Fed 7 shot version and that the Blackhawk came in with an 8 round capacity. Both of those versions had fluted cylinders. Would be interesting to see if an unfluted cylinder could accommodate 9.

    Ok....add a 9 shot blued, Black Hawk version with 7.5 inch barrel. Preferably with a Bisely grip. And since I’m the OP and I’m dreaming out loud add the Hunter version in blue with Rugers integral scope ring as well.
     
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  23. Riomouse911

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    I really wanted a 5” GP 7-shot... but missed the boat. The SP 101 is a good size, but Rugers full lug barrels just don’t hit my buttons .(I have the 3” .44 Spl. GP and the SP 101 .38. I don’t really like either guns’ barrel profile.)

    I’d love to see a stainless 6-shot K frame S&W with a 5” non-full lug barrel. It would be a nice field gun; packable with a bit more barrel length to burn up the powder in the .327 case.

    Stay safe.
     
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    My plan is to stick the shortened 30 carbine into a semiauto pistol, avoid the rimlock of a 32 ACP but gain the capacity of a narrower bullet.
     
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    Something close are the 7.92mm VBR and 7mm Penna meant for European police to give adequate penetration with low recoil and high capacity.
    I suspect also for gun control by distribution of ammo to Authorized Personnel only.

    Or revive the 7.65x20 French round and soup it up a bit.
     
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