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Guns in King Solomon's Mines (1950)

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  1. Dr T

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    I finally got around to watching this movie for the first time since adolescence. There are four guns of interest to me: A medium bore Mauser-actioned (Rigby?), a Winchester 1895 with an, err, aggressively engraved buttstock, a bolt action with what appears to be a tubular magazine, and a side-by-side double gun that appears to be somewhere between 8 and 12 bore.

    Two Questions:
    1. What is the bolt gun that appears to have a tubular magazine (and is it really a tubular magazine)?
    2. Is the side-by-side a paradox gun?
     
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    There was a Remington-Keene bolt-action, tube fed rifle. It was sometimes issued/used by 19th century cavalry Indian scouts.

    I can't access Troy Fairweather's linked sight right now for some reason, so I don't know if it's an answer to the OP's question or not.
    With Hollywood anything is possible .... but they would tend toward the "cheap" --- that is, use an available rifle from a prop house/dept. rather than make up something.
     
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    Seems little doubt that the bolt action is a .400/.350 Rigby. Interesting to find a Mauser made to take the superior rimmed cartridge. Interesting to find a nice gun in the prop department.

    No agreement on the others.
    Reliably reported that Stewart Grainger shot an elephant with a .577, not the black powder double shown in the movie.
     
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    After a little digging, I came across a snippet from Allan Quartermain that identified the side-by-side as an 8 bore elephant gun loaded with 8 drachms of black powder. Still searching for the tubular magazine gun.

    Since this film was shot entirely on location in Africa, it is unlikely that the prop room in Hollywood had much to do with guns--especially since Quartermain was a hunter and a bit picky about his guns.
     
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    Uh, Alan Quartermain was fictional.
     
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    Played by Stewert Granger......
     
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    That time, yes.
     
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    H. Rider Haggard's novels are quite entertaining. :)
     
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    I liked Talbot Mundy. 'King of The Khyber Rifles' and the Jimgrim stories.

    Steve Stirling likes him too, but I thought it mean to give Chulunder Ghose his degree and then kill him off.
     
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    Ummm, Stewart Granger was well immersed in his character...(touche). BUT, That double sure looks like an 8 bore to me...
     
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    All I can tell is that his movie gun is a big Jones underlever double.
    Greener recommended the 8 bore in BP.

    Story set in 1897, therefore '98 Mausers are anachronistic, as would be .450 NE.
     
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    Mauser 1871/84 Sporter with tube exposed in common 11 mm mauser round . .
     
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    Maybe so.
    We need some stills showing the guns.
    This edition of King Solomon's Mines did not get on IMFDB.
     
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    No good stills, but at 0:18 into the trailer I captured this: upload_2019-2-26_10-23-44.png

    The trailer is on You Tube.
     

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    The gun is pictured at 0:18 at . Deborah Kerr is holding the rifle.
     
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    Stewert Granger had with him an 8 bore double on the set. It was a Thomas Bland & Sons and it was loaned to him by a man named Ray Meyer, who had previously taken several buffalo and three elephants with it. It was not used during the filming. I have fired that cannon. I knew Ray during my years in California.

    Today the gun is owned by Rob Seymore who lives in Alaska and shoots it every spring. With 110 grains of Blue dot he gets around 1300 FPS with a 1600 gr conical bullet.

    OUCH!!!
     
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    There is a Movie and TV firearm data base but last time I looked was threatened with ransomware
     
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    This film is not on IMFDB.
     
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    You know, I've *read* King Solomon's Mine, but I've never seen any of the screen adaptons. Are they worth watching?
     
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    In the novel Quartermain packs a 45 Colt revolver as well. He was certainly well armed.
     
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    The Colt 45 is also in the movie. It has a brief conversation with a big lizard.
     
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    Could be the Remington Keene. Bolt position and I can't quite resolve what looks like a hammer blur . That would identify it , the hammer for sure
     
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