guns in social housing

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not sure if this would be better off in legal or not. when i lived across the pond and in social housing there was a policy that residents were restricted to one firearm per flat. even though residents were not prohibited from owning them. provided owning said items did not violate the law. should we allow residents of such housing to own or should we make it a gun free zone?
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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Denying someone the right to keep and bear arms because they live in public housing?

No sir. No way. No how.

They are entitled to the same rights as me or Elon Musk.
 
not sure if this would be better off in legal or not. when i lived across the pond and in social housing there was a policy that residents were restricted to one firearm per flat. even though residents were not prohibited from owning them. provided owning said items did not violate the law. should we allow residents of such housing to own or should we make it a gun free zone?
if this post is to political or controversial then please feel free to remove or lock the thread.

We need to quit with this mindset of "allowing" stuff. Your domicile is your domicile. Doesn't matter if you rent or own, doesn't matter if it's a house, apartment, or hotel. Doesn't matter if it's low rent, high rent, good area, or bad area.

Freedoms and rights aren't freedoms and rights if they don't apply to everybody equally under the law. They become "privileges" at that point, to be granted and denied at will by those of power and privilege.

By the way, welcome to THR and welcome to this side of the pond. Here's to seeing you around more.
 
I don't see how this thread can move forward without becoming political - social housing in the US, commonly described as "Section 8" housing, "public housing," or "rent controlled housing," will have different rules based on the ownership structure and their ability to enforce those rules vs. their local/state jurisdictional laws. In general, Americans in this kind of housing, unless otherwise prohibited, are protected in MOST states from corporate/landlord policy which would restrict their rights. Some landlords impose rules which slide under the legal radar, but would not survive contact with a court of law if a tenant fought against imposition of the rule.

Pretty plainly, gun rights in the US are not the same as gun laws in the the EU.

Personally, I think it's absolutely asinine to suggest that low income Americans should have their inalienable rights, as guaranteed by their Constitution, infringed simply because of their low income status. So no, having a low income and living in social housing should not disqualify or restrict an American from their right to keep and bear arms, and no, I would not support any rule or law which would infringe upon their rights by assigning this housing as a "gun free zone." Such restriction is fascist elitism, classism, and unconstitutional for any American which has not otherwise surrendered their right to bear arms as a prohibited person (such as convicted felons or those who have renounced citizenship).
 
I believe that was addressed some years ago, when public housing tried to restrict residents rights...and IIRC, the landlords got smacked down pretty good.

Yep.

However, jurisdictional laws vary from state to state and for those who reside in jurisdictions with less friendly laws, or in housing with less friendly lease wording, this requires going to court to get said smack down.

And personally, I find that itself both offensive and oppressive. It requires a person to expend valuable time and resources, not to mention reputation tarnishing through the effort, to gain justice. And those in low income housing are very ill equiped to afford this, which makes it exceptionally offensive and oppressive in my opinion.
 
not sure if this would be better off in legal or not. when i lived across the pond and in social housing there was a policy that residents were restricted to one firearm per flat. even though residents were not prohibited from owning them. provided owning said items did not violate the law. should we allow residents of such housing to own or should we make it a gun free zone?
if this post is to political or controversial then please feel free to remove or lock the thread.
That is "across the pond" thinking.
Should we allow. Shall not be infringed.
 
As previous stated and directed to the OP, welcome to THR:thumbup:

Ok, so what with public housing? Limits on beer? Music albums such as CDs? Salt & Pepper shaker collections?

Aa a bonifide protected right vs a manufactured one, legally or otherwise i.e. furries, bio male wannabe female basketball player, the ONLY bearing 2A firearms ownership should have is, once a certain level of acquisitions are reached; that person isn't really ''poor'' , and therefore NOT in need of the govt teat, er, assistance e.g. housing.

US citizens acting as impoverised persons are afforded what are luxuries in other parts of the world incluing but not limited to, car(s), microwaves/air fryers/ TVs / CD playas, free food card, clothes, Dr. health care for any booboo, certain sectors ''magic moiney cards''' etc. ; but not 2A items?
 
not sure if this would be better off in legal or not. when i lived across the pond and in social housing there was a policy that residents were restricted to one firearm per flat. even though residents were not prohibited from owning them. provided owning said items did not violate the law. should we allow residents of such housing to own
Not sure exactly who "we" is, but no, whoever they are, they should not be infringing on the rights of other people.
or should we make it a gun free zone?
That's impossible. You can't make a "gun free zone" in the US, unless you put armed security, metal detectors, mandatory universal searches etc. in place. Without those things, you can only restrict weapons carry or possession by people who wouldn't have caused a problem anyway.
 
I knew a fella who lived several doors down who kept a .22 for 'wildlife management' ie rat control in the courtyard and alleyway areas. Think the barrel of which was shorter than 30 cm. I don't recall that anyone complained. Another chap who was a member of a shooting club and always kept a certified copy of his certificate/license upon his person was routinely harassed by staff/members of the security team for having a double barrel shotgun in his flat. That did not seem fair then and it doesn't seem now. Strongly suspect some type of 'deal' was made.
 
If we are not willing to limit free speech, limit freedom of religion, or to allow unlimited searches and seizures, we should not limit firearms ownership. What I am about to say is not to denigrate the OP, but I have genuinely not understood that that these items are not clear to so many people.

You have it backwards, my brother...

The fact I have a right to keep and bear arms is WHY I am able to defend my rights to free speech and religion, and why I'm not unduly obligated to search and seizure. These rights aren't about our government's unwillingness to infringe upon our rights, but are based on our God-given right as citizens to pick up arms and defend ourselves against tyranny which would try to infringe upon our rights.
 
I knew a fella who lived several doors down who kept a .22 for 'wildlife management' ie rat control in the courtyard and alleyway areas. Think the barrel of which was shorter than 30 cm. I don't recall that anyone complained. Another chap who was a member of a shooting club and always kept a certified copy of his certificate/license upon his person was routinely harassed by staff/members of the security team for having a double barrel shotgun in his flat. That did not seem fair then and it doesn't seem now. Strongly suspect some type of 'deal' was made.
This is the essential difference twixt the US and UK. With few exceptions, the US does not require a license to own a firearm, nor restrict the number in possession. Unlike the European model, we do not "allow" one to possess a firearm; it is a basic right and, frankly, encouraged in most jurisdictions.
 
not sure if this would be better off in legal or not. when i lived across the pond and in social housing there was a policy that residents were restricted to one firearm per flat. even though residents were not prohibited from owning them. provided owning said items did not violate the law. should we allow residents of such housing to own or should we make it a gun free zone?
if this post is to political or controversial then please feel free to remove or lock the thread.
When you said, "should we allow" you just lost all credibility.
"No firearms" clauses in a lease are another discussion for another thread. Suffice it to say here, that I don't agree with those.

If someone is legally able to own a firearm, why does it matter to you, what housing is available to them?

A good number of disabled and elderly folks live in "social housing."

I use a wheelchair. Most accessible housing is HUD funded. Is it your opinion that if I need a wheelchair accessible apartment, that I should not be allowed to own firearms?
 
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When you said, "should we allow" you just lost all credibility.

If someone is legally able to own a firearm, why does it matter to you what housing is available to them?

A good number of disabled and elderly folks live in "social housing."

I use a wheelchair. Most accessible housing is HUD funded. Is it your opinion that if I need a wheelchair accessible apartment, that I should not be allowed to own firearms?
by all means own all the guns you want, mate. Hell own bluddy rocket launchers and basookas for all I care. No disrespect meant. just seeking reasonable convo and exchange of ideas.
 
Yep.

However, jurisdictional laws vary from state to state and for those who reside in jurisdictions with less friendly laws, or in housing with less friendly lease wording, this requires going to court to get said smack down.

And personally, I find that itself both offensive and oppressive. It requires a person to expend valuable time and resources, not to mention reputation tarnishing through the effort, to gain justice. And those in low income housing are very ill equiped to afford this, which makes it exceptionally offensive and oppressive in my opinion.
Thus the importance of the SCOTUS doing their Job making a final ruling that all arms control violates the Constitution.
 
The husband of a friend of my wife is from Middle TN. It was Kind of ironic when he said "Every Billy Bob has a gun" in a skeptical, wary tone.

Strange that a former Navy P-3 NATOPS / Naval officer (= Check Airman=Stan Eval) decided to vote "in a different way"', and that's possibly why we've never had anything in common except past aviation careers.
Such people feel that only the more educated should have access to guns, not just the P-3's PPC and 3P seats. Haven't seen him in many years.........
 
Regarding firearms in "social housing", I recommend a great deal of discretion, Do not mention or discuss it with neighbors, when repairmen come make sure they are out of sight, etc...
I felt like that when I lived in NJ. Here, folks have a rather laissez-faire attitude toward the subject. Most pretty much assume you have one or more in the home, if not on your person.
 
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