Guns stolen from Chicago freight train

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Seems like an inside job to me!

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/09/chicagos-violent-gangs-looting-freight-cars-filled-with-guns.html

On the south side of Chicago, in one of the city's most dangerous neighborhoods, brazen criminals occasionally hit the gangster’s jackpot: they loot freight containers carrying shiny, new guns.

The guns – boxes and boxes of them – are part of shipments that are destined for gun companies or gun shops across the country. But as gangsters have caught on to the practice, they are ransacking these trains and stealing weapons that eventually make their way to the city’s blood-soaked streets.

"Any time you have individuals who can go in and steal guns from a train, that makes the environment very toxic," said Pastor Cory Brooks, who leads a church around the corner from the freight yard.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives said that since 2013, more than 150 firearms have been reported stolen from freight trains. An Associated Press investigation revealed that some were traced to violent crimes and only 16 were recovered.

CHICAGO RECORDS 762 HOMICIDES IN 2016, UP 57 PERCENT FROM PREVIOUS YEAR

In a city already reeling from one of the most violent crime waves in years, where tens of thousands of firearms are recovered from the streets every year, 150 stolen guns might not seem like a big deal. But one single gun can be linked to at least 14 fatal shootings, according to the ATF.

"How in the world are these kids getting these guns? I see them on Facebook. Everybody got guns. They can't go purchase a gun, so where are they getting them from?" said city alderwoman Emma Mitts of the 37th Ward.

In one instance, thieves stole more than 100 new Ruger handguns described as "pretty" in comparison to the shoddy, makeshift guns criminals in Chicago’s rough streets often use.


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Chicago police officers investigate the crime scene of a gunshot victim. (Reuters)

Brooks and Mitts both partially blame Norfolk Southern, the rail yard, saying it could easily beef up security to protect the sitting freight on its tracks. They said the company needs to do something before the weapons get in the hands of more dangerous criminals.

"We need to be concerned about terrorists who could get into these areas unprotected here and steal things and explosives and really hurt our communities," Brooks said.

Norfolk Southern told Fox News that it's fully liable for any stolen property. The company said it takes the issue seriously, working with all law levels of law enforcement and recently increasing security around its tracks.

POLITICS OF POLICING MAKING CHICAGO CRIME WAVE WORSE?

"While we can’t discuss the specifics of the ongoing investigations, we are taking significant steps to evaluate and adapt our security protocols, prevent criminal trespass and address community concerns," Norfolk Southern spokeswoman Susan Terpay wrote in an email.

While working on this story, Fox News noticed a very responsive presence of security near the train yard.

"Norfolk Southern’s Chicago-based police department, the largest freight railroad law enforcement force in the city, is increasing patrols of rail yards using uniformed officers in marked cars and K-9 units,” Terpay wrote. “In addition, the department is conducting undercover surveillance investigations."

The company is hoping that beefed-up security at the rail yard would appease neighbors trying to keep guns out criminal hands in one of America's deadliest communities.

"It only compounds that damage being done to our city,” Brooks said, “and it only hurts the individuals who are trying to live here and have a safe environment."
 
For a gun free sanctuary city I bet there's an awful big demand for ammo in that town. I wonder where that's all coming from? Must take a lot of ammo to keep that level of violence going the way it does in Chicago.
 
A lot of ammo?
Probably not.
I've seen studies about the average number of rounds in a homicide being 4 or so. Multiply by 760 and it's still only 3,000 or so rounds. That's one order from SGammo :D

Ok ok it's different ammo types 9, 40, 48, 380, etc.
What blew my mind was the FBI study about how much criminals *practice* with their firearms. I thought it would be about -zero- but it was actually more than the average police officer (although the average police officer doesn't get much official range time.)

I also recall that, in the few cases where it is noted, the ammo recovered from a criminal is overwhelmingly the cheapest ammo available, and not HST's, gold dots, etc.

Perhaps I'm off base, but that's what I remember the stats being...
 
Alright, time to figure out who's tipping off the local gangs to the rail car contents...I'd probably start with local transit authorities, to be honest ('member Leland Yee running Kali Triad guns through the NJ Port Authority?)

Freight theft is pretty much always an inside job, but the proposition is a terrible crap-shoot whether you get worthless Beanie Babies or diapers or gold bullion or a bunch of stowaways. Unless you know a guy with access to the manifest.

Reminds me of the multiple railcars of M16s we donated to the Mexican government last year, even after it came out that previous shipments were leaking out to the cartels at rather disturbing rates.

TCB
 
For a gun free sanctuary city I bet there's an awful big demand for ammo in that town. I wonder where that's all coming from? Must take a lot of ammo to keep that level of violence going the way it does in Chicago.
Well, they're apparently smuggling it into NYC via condoms like black tar heroin, now...desperate times, indeed.

TCB
 
150 guns over the last three years, with 100 being shiny new Rugers in one heist?

Much ado about almost nothing in comparison to the number of guns trucked into Chicago that were stolen from cars and houses in the suburbs. There are thousands on the streets and how often does the ATF run a sting to catch either the traffickers or the buyers? Chicago PD? We never hear of any because none are conducted.

Let's be realistic - it's being largely ignored to serve the political interests there and be a showcase for gun control. Nothing is being done about it, and the LEO union is deliberately standing back so the perps shoot each other. More conversation than that isn't focused on guns as much as politics.

I wouldn't put too much provenance on the story when the intent is to stir up another excuse to ban gun entirely.
 
I grew up in Chiraq in the '60s and '70s. This is OLD news. I've been hearing about gun thefts from the rail yards, AT LEAST since the '80s, and probably before that.

How does it happen? Three things to remember about Chiraq:
  1. The city "government" is cravenly corrupt.
  2. The police are cravenly corrupt.
  3. The citizens are cravenly corrupt and perfectly alright with 1 and 2 above, so long as they think they're getting something out of it. In fact, they think it's "normal". Tell them it's not and they think YOU'RE crazy.
Things are the way they are in Chiraq because the inhabitants LIKE it that way. Otherwise they wouldn't have consistently voted for that condition for 100+ years.
 
Much ado about almost nothing in comparison to the number of guns trucked into Chicago that were stolen from cars and houses in the suburbs. There are thousands on the streets and how often does the ATF run a sting to catch either the traffickers or the buyers? Chicago PD? We never hear of any because none are conducted.
The Chicago PD is no stranger to illicit arms trafficking itself. Google "Miedzianowski" + "Chicago PD".

If you staff the restaurant inspection department with Jeffrey Dahmer clones, don't feign surprise when your cousin Tyrone winds up in an "Italian beef" sandwich instead of Italian beef from time to time...
 
I'd bet they had some inside information. There's probably lots and lots of freight containers and there's no signs on the containers that indicate what's inside, unless it's something that requires a HAZ-MAT placard. So how do they know which ones contain the guns? I'm sure there's no sign on it indicating that it's full of firearms. That would be the equivalent of putting on a "STEAL ME FIRST" sign on it.
 
We had cops in Camden NJ who were working off-duty jobs as bodyguards for the major drug dealers ....You should see what the FEDs lose as in firearms, tactical gear ,and explosives every year
 
What blew my mind was the FBI study about how much criminals *practice* with their firearms. I thought it would be about -zero- but it was actually more than the average police officer (although the average police officer doesn't get much official range time.)

Yeah, but keep in mind that this study was about cop killers specifically. That's a fairly narrow subset.

http://www.forcesciencenews.com/home/detail.html?serial=62

Not all criminals are training this much. The ones that are though are pretty committed to it.

Edit : Here's a related study in a PDF format, but instead of cop killers this includes those who resisted arrest without the use of a firearm, those that pointed a pistol to effect an escape without firing it and those that attacked officers with other weapons (carving fork and a knife).

http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/policecommission/materials/band-readahead.pdf
 
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We had cops in Camden NJ who were working off-duty jobs as bodyguards for the major drug dealers ....You should see what the FEDs lose as in firearms, tactical gear ,and explosives every year
Back in the '80s, Cleveland cops were caught working as bodyguards for various drug and gambling houses.
 
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