dude20892000
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Do you think that all states should pass laws that require that every gun owner should have a gunsafe? I say yes, what do you say?
Gunsafe Law?
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I say no, the government has no business legislating what a person does inside their home with their private property. Do you want to give the governent yet another excuse to invade peoples homes and privacy??? All you will do is cause people to buy cheap cra**y filing cabinet grade boxes that can be cut open with a pocket knife anyway! I am a hard core Bill of Rights supporter and am against any firearms laws whatsoever as the all infringe upon the right recognized in the US constitution's Bill of Rights.
armoredman
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Mu home is my castle - don't tell me how to store the swords!
jade
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I say no. The government has no right to tell me how I should store my guns. I am a responsible adult. I can think for myself thank you.
I think it would also make gun ownership very difficult for those with low incomes. They would have to buy the gun AND a safe. What about the woman who finally leaves her abusive husband? Does she have the time and money to buy a gun and a safe.
I think it would also make gun ownership very difficult for those with low incomes. They would have to buy the gun AND a safe. What about the woman who finally leaves her abusive husband? Does she have the time and money to buy a gun and a safe.
I say NO!
While a safe may protect you from loss of firearms during a "no one home" burglary, it will only be a major hindrance during a "Home Invasion" type situation.
Try this test some time....place your primary home defense weapon in your safe, empty. Lock safe, store ammo seperately, again locked. Have a friend/family member mimic the sound of smashing in of the front door. See if you can get out of bed, find your keys/combination, open safe, remove weapon, got to next room where ammo/magazines are stored, open that safe, load weapon (use KNOWN EMPTY MAGS or snap caps if you have a revolver. See if you can do all that BEFORE your brother removes parts of you with a machete. Your time limit is 20 seconds...30 seconds if you are upstairs and main entrance is downstairs.
I would generally wager that YOU WILL LOSE.
While a safe may protect you from loss of firearms during a "no one home" burglary, it will only be a major hindrance during a "Home Invasion" type situation.
Try this test some time....place your primary home defense weapon in your safe, empty. Lock safe, store ammo seperately, again locked. Have a friend/family member mimic the sound of smashing in of the front door. See if you can get out of bed, find your keys/combination, open safe, remove weapon, got to next room where ammo/magazines are stored, open that safe, load weapon (use KNOWN EMPTY MAGS or snap caps if you have a revolver. See if you can do all that BEFORE your brother removes parts of you with a machete. Your time limit is 20 seconds...30 seconds if you are upstairs and main entrance is downstairs.
I would generally wager that YOU WILL LOSE.
fjolnirsson
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Dude,
What Foghorn said.
Feanaro
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No. I believe that the individual should be able to decide how s/he wishes to store their firearms. If I cannot be trusted to store them properly, how I can be trusted with a lethal weapon in the first place? Can I be trusted with a car and alchohol? Or with a knife, for that matter?
TallPine
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Absolutely NOT !!!!
So do you think that every car owner should be required to own a garage?
What about requiring all medicines to be locked in a cabinet?
And what about "keypad locks" on phones so that no unauthorized person can make an obsene phone call?
Just what the heck is it with people who think that they have to control every facet of other people's lives .....?
greyhound
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Tell that to an Australian (not sure about the UK).
fallingblock
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No! Mandatory storage is anti-self-defense
greyhound has it right:
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"Tell that to an Australian"
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In every Australian state, firearms MUST be in a safe at all times, except when in (approved) use, such as target shooting.
Even cleaning them is technically a violation, more so if the safe is left open while cleaning!
The Police in New South Wales have recently launched a comprehensive program of home storage inspections for EVERY firearms owner.
If the storage is deemed improper, the firearms owner is fined and likely will lose their firearms licence.
Of course, if you are an illegal owner, you may store the guns wherever you like...since you also didn't register them or apply for a licence in the first instance .
By all means, act responsibly and store weapons securely.
But don't fall for the misguided "mandatory storage" argument.
greyhound has it right:
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"Tell that to an Australian"
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In every Australian state, firearms MUST be in a safe at all times, except when in (approved) use, such as target shooting.
Even cleaning them is technically a violation, more so if the safe is left open while cleaning!
The Police in New South Wales have recently launched a comprehensive program of home storage inspections for EVERY firearms owner.
If the storage is deemed improper, the firearms owner is fined and likely will lose their firearms licence.
Of course, if you are an illegal owner, you may store the guns wherever you like...since you also didn't register them or apply for a licence in the first instance
.By all means, act responsibly and store weapons securely.
But don't fall for the misguided "mandatory storage" argument.
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ReadyontheRight
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And who invades your home to confirm your compliance with such a law?
How about laws requiring you lock up your car keys and drain your pool when not in use? Cars and swimming pools kill many more children per year than guns.
CZ-100
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No.. but that said I do own one.
It keeps my kids honest, and any un professional crooks.
It keeps my kids honest, and any un professional crooks.
ReadyontheRight
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And "all states" shouldn't pass any laws.
States should each pass their own laws individually -- except when it comes to issues specifically protected by the Bill of Rights from the laws of States or the Federal Government -- like "the right of the people to keep and bear arms".
When is this Nanny State cr*p going to end?
States should each pass their own laws individually -- except when it comes to issues specifically protected by the Bill of Rights from the laws of States or the Federal Government -- like "the right of the people to keep and bear arms".
When is this Nanny State cr*p going to end?
Peetmoss
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NO WAY should anyone be required to own a safe a storage cabinet or anything else. It is required for guns to be locked up not more then two miles from me and it is bull hockey.
I do believe owners of firearms should take reasonable precations in securing there firearms, however this should be left up to the individual as what they consider reasonable precautions.
I do myself own a safe. To tell you the truth I felt my firearms were more secure without it especially right after bringing it in. People eyeballed that safe like it said free billion dollars come get me. Before that only my family permit refrences and people I shot with new I had guns. Big gun safe the whole darn neighborhood knows. I would bet that not everyone in my nieghborhood is a fine upstading citizen. Matter of fact I know they arn't.
I do believe owners of firearms should take reasonable precations in securing there firearms, however this should be left up to the individual as what they consider reasonable precautions.
I do myself own a safe. To tell you the truth I felt my firearms were more secure without it especially right after bringing it in. People eyeballed that safe like it said free billion dollars come get me. Before that only my family permit refrences and people I shot with new I had guns. Big gun safe the whole darn neighborhood knows. I would bet that not everyone in my nieghborhood is a fine upstading citizen. Matter of fact I know they arn't.
StuporDave
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Lupine
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I can see it now
Living in a Nerf-world, in which we're all so padded with federally-mandated layers of self-protecting bubble wrap or foam padding that we can't even manage the oversized buttons on our phones to call some number for permission to smack our own foreheads in a collective "doh!" much less punch in the numbers of our combo-lock gunsafes.
That aside, will somebody call 911 to have the police come over and change my poopy diaper? The smell's beginning to offend my neighbors, and my homeowner's association is beginning to complain.
Living in a Nerf-world, in which we're all so padded with federally-mandated layers of self-protecting bubble wrap or foam padding that we can't even manage the oversized buttons on our phones to call some number for permission to smack our own foreheads in a collective "doh!" much less punch in the numbers of our combo-lock gunsafes.
That aside, will somebody call 911 to have the police come over and change my poopy diaper? The smell's beginning to offend my neighbors, and my homeowner's association is beginning to complain.
Ryder
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No - Too many laws now
Though it could be useful for storing all these unused gunlocks
Though it could be useful for storing all these unused gunlocks
mountainclmbr
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ABSOLUTELY THEY SHOULD!!!
But not as a first priority. It should go like this:
1. You should not say any non-approved statements. Neither should you believe in any non-approved religion.
2. Here is where the gun safe requirement goes.
3. You can see where this is going... Fill it in yourself
But not as a first priority. It should go like this:
1. You should not say any non-approved statements. Neither should you believe in any non-approved religion.
2. Here is where the gun safe requirement goes.
3. You can see where this is going... Fill it in yourself
Daedalus
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I think responsible gun owners should have some kind of method for securing their arms when they leave the house for extended periods of time.
It is not the business of the govt to legislate it though,
It is not the business of the govt to legislate it though,
Graystar
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The only time legislation should be passed is when it is clearly necessary for the protection of rights.
The situation in England clearly demonstrates that even if you get rid of all the guns, criminals will still have guns. Further, such legislation makes the same erroneous assumption that gun bans do…that taking guns out of the hands of criminals will prevent crime. This theory has been disproved time and time again. That is because the desire the commit a crime is there first, then the criminal decides how to go about it.
Considering these facts, I would conclude that such legislation would not protect any rights, and as such, should not exist.
The situation in England clearly demonstrates that even if you get rid of all the guns, criminals will still have guns. Further, such legislation makes the same erroneous assumption that gun bans do…that taking guns out of the hands of criminals will prevent crime. This theory has been disproved time and time again. That is because the desire the commit a crime is there first, then the criminal decides how to go about it.
Considering these facts, I would conclude that such legislation would not protect any rights, and as such, should not exist.
El Tejon
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The government cannot tell me to build a library for my books. It cannot tell me to buy a safe for my weapons.
I have both a library and safes for my weapons. The government can take a hike.
I have both a library and safes for my weapons. The government can take a hike.
Art Eatman
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In Kenya during the time of the Mau Mau, there were rather strong penalties for leaving one's firearms unsecured.
I've always figured that I have a responsibility to secure my firearms against theft. I've also figure that "a reasonable and prudent effort" should be sufficient, and there are many inexpensive ways to prevent what might be termed "casual" theft. Few systems are truly secure against a professional thief.
Government does not need to offer mandates about HOW one secures one's property. It can, by precedent, provide for penalties for carelessness. Precedents include leaving an unlocked car with the keys in it, for instance; that's a crime in some jurisdictions. Also, the concept of "contributory negligence" can be applied.
That I have a good safe and that most of my firearms "live there" is beside the point, insofar as personal security in my home. Nothing prevents me from coming home in an unarmed condition and making a stop at my safe my first action after entry. The idea that everything will be locked away at the time of a home invasion is a non-argument...
, Art
I've always figured that I have a responsibility to secure my firearms against theft. I've also figure that "a reasonable and prudent effort" should be sufficient, and there are many inexpensive ways to prevent what might be termed "casual" theft. Few systems are truly secure against a professional thief.
Government does not need to offer mandates about HOW one secures one's property. It can, by precedent, provide for penalties for carelessness. Precedents include leaving an unlocked car with the keys in it, for instance; that's a crime in some jurisdictions. Also, the concept of "contributory negligence" can be applied.
That I have a good safe and that most of my firearms "live there" is beside the point, insofar as personal security in my home. Nothing prevents me from coming home in an unarmed condition and making a stop at my safe my first action after entry. The idea that everything will be locked away at the time of a home invasion is a non-argument...
, ArtPreacherman
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I'm with Art. I strongly believe that any responsible person should ensure that his/her firearms and ammunition are secured against casual handling by visitors, and even more against casual theft by opportunist burglars. Of course, any professional thief with good equipment will defeat an ordinary gun-safe, but that's a risk one has to take - to defeat such an intruder would require something like a bank vault, which is vastly too expensive for the average person.
That said, I also believe that this should not be legislated. There are those who simply can't afford to spend $600 to $1,000 on a gun safe for their few low-value firearms. They should have the option of some form of cheaper protection. However, I don't believe that there is any excuse not to have at least a cheap, $80 gun cabinet from Wal-Mart secured to the wall and/or floor, even if you only own one gun. It gives me a great deal of peace of mind to know that a BG is unlikely to shoot anyone else with my guns because I made it easy for him to steal them!
That said, I also believe that this should not be legislated. There are those who simply can't afford to spend $600 to $1,000 on a gun safe for their few low-value firearms. They should have the option of some form of cheaper protection. However, I don't believe that there is any excuse not to have at least a cheap, $80 gun cabinet from Wal-Mart secured to the wall and/or floor, even if you only own one gun. It gives me a great deal of peace of mind to know that a BG is unlikely to shoot anyone else with my guns because I made it easy for him to steal them!
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