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Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by tom e gun, Nov 11, 2012.

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  1. tom e gun

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    So I went to a gun show out here in Sacramento today, and while I failed to find much of interest to us BP shooters, I did come across a man selling 2 trapdoor Springfield's for I believe $1000 for the both of them. One was an 1861 and the other 1863 I think. The guy didn't have a clue what caliber they were, but they looked to be in fair shape. Would this have been a good deal? I was somewhat intrigued but not enough to plunk down $1000 for unknown caliber rifles of that age. Sadly, I did not think to take any pictures of them :cuss::banghead: I'm curious as to what one would look for with rifles such as these to tell if they are shootable.
    On a side note, I walked the whole place a couple times in the hopes of finding someone selling an ROA for a decent price as I had missed out at the last gun show in the summer where there were around 5 for sale. (Even a couple reasonably priced) This time there was not a one to be found! For shame I say....
     
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    Tom, you want i should let you know if i encounter one ?
     
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    Sure Jim, that would be great! I prefer the looks of the fixed sight SS ROA models but at this point I suppose I am not too picky to turn down others :neener:
     
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    What's the deal with any laws in California for shipping into the state cap & ball revolvers? And beyond shipping into your State, does living in or around Sacramento impose anything of the sort (Draconian laws) on your receipt of a black powder cap and ball handgun from an out of state seller?
     
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    There were some muzzle loading springfield rifles converted to breechloaders after the war, known as the Allin conversions. These were in 50 caliber if I remember correctly. They "could have been" Model 1861s and 1863s that were converted.

    The true Springfield Trapdoor didn't come around until 1873 and it was in 45/70

    If they were original and in good shape, $500 apiece would probably been a pretty good deal.
     
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    California has no restrictions on black powder/muzzle loading firearms, even in Sacramento, although for cartridge related stuff, I believe I can't get ammo here in this county through the mail/internet sales. (maybe just handgun calibers, but then who decides what that is considering the enormous variety of calibers these days being interchangeable in rifles and pistols)

    I must confess to not knowing much about Trapdoor Springfields, but these seemed to be cartridge arms, but since I have not had much occasion to check out these rifles in person before in either cartridge or percussion, I am not entirely sure they were. One seemed to be missing the ramrod and the other had the ramrod in place. I opened the chamber of one of them and it opened easily and appeared to be free of corrosion or damage, but then again it was a quick look.
     
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    I paid less than $400 for my 50-70 Springfield Trapdoor, Model 1868. The lock plate on mine is dated 1863. It is a "true" Springfield Trapdoor. According to Flaydermans, more than 51,000 were made. The 1868 models were not converted as the earlier ones were, but they used parts from earlier guns.
    $500 for a 50-70 is good, depending, of course, on the condition. Good condition (Flaydermans): $750.
    The 50-70s are great to shoot but the brass is alot more expensive than the 45-70s (and harder to find).
     
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