Guy commits suicide at local range.

[Cyberdyne systems]

suicide at the range can be very dangerous for others, because sometimes they will shoot the guy in the stall next to them before killing themselves, I have heard of this happening before, they want to take somebody else with them when they die, it may be you or me or whoever is near them when they decide to do it

 

[Wolfy]

This happened in NJ but the lady lived. She walked into a indoor range to rent a gun and asked the guy what is the best place to shoot someone to kill them the guy says COM. She goes into the stall loads the 38 and puts one into her chest it goes through and through. She puts the gun down walks out to her car and drives herself home and her husband drove her to the doctor. Now heres the scariest part of the story the range's reaction was to get a mop bucket and start cleaning up the blood. They didn't call the police!!!!!!! Fortunately for them an off duty LEO was there and called it into the local PD.

 

[The_Antibubba]

There's compassion, and there's practicality

coundn't he at least have waited until range marshall called cease fire?

Thanks for the laugh, Johnson!

 

[Ktulu]

JimL3 et al., I understand suicide, depression, a sense of hopelessness, etc. I’ve experienced some of these things myself and I’ve had a front row seat while others experienced them. I simply have no compassion for people who can think of nothing but themselves.

The man's deeds speak volumes.

Marked as a convicted sex offender and facing the end of his career and marriage, Richard Borruso, 52, a pharmacist who lived on Dussel Drive in Maumee, walked in to Cleland's, set down $40 in cash, went into a practice booth, and shot himself in the head.

If you have compassion for such people, good for you. You are better men then I. As cold as it might seem, I could care less about this guy.

 

[M2 Carbine]

Ktulu
I simply have no compassion for people who can think of nothing but themselves.
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Ktulu,
Some reasons for suicide is because the person IS thinking of others.
One reason I can think of is, a critically ill Father kills himself because he doesn't want his illness to eat up all the savings that his family will need to live on when he dies.
It can easily cost several thousand dollars in medical bills before our example father dies, leaving the family broke and heavily in debt.


But in the case of the convicted sex offender's suicide

 

[Andrew Rothman]

At Bill's Gun Shop and Range in Minneapolis, a gun rental requires a MN permit-to-purchase (takes a week, costs $10, good for a year) or a permit to carry (takes up to 30 days to get, costs $100, good for five years).

This would seem to accomplish two purposes:

1. It shifts responsibility for determining fitness to hold a gun from the range to the state, thus potentially decreasing liability, and...

2. It imposes a de-facto "waiting period" on someone who wants to rent a gun just to shoot himself.

This might reduce liability, but I'll doubt it will stop anyone from shooting himself.

-Bill

It won't stop anyone, but it is very likely to deter people from choosing that range and that means of offing themselves -- it just takes too damn long to set up.

Think about it: if you have either permit, you can buy your owen gun, same-day. And if you have a gun already, you needn't go to the range to kill yourself.

Anyway, it seems to work. No suicides there so far -- and lots of other ranges have had `em.

 

[juggler]

A convicted sexual molester kills himself and I just can't bring myself to care.
I guess I have not reached that level of spiritual awareness...my sympathy is reserved for his victim and those left to deal with the mess (financial, emotional and physical).
This scum didn't do it to save anyone grief, he was sorry he got caught.

 

[Sistema1927]

Quite a few suicides check into motels and then shoot themselves, probably to keep their family from having to clean up the mess at home.

I saw one case where a 17 year old girl snuck dad's .45 out of the house, rented a motel room, and sat up in bed and shot herself through the temple. The bullet passed cleanly through her head, went through the wall above the headboard, into the adjoining room, passed over a sleeping couple, and bounced off of the wooden dresser on the other side of the room onto the carpet. When I entered the room the weapon had flipped over in her hand and was facing the doorway upside down with her finger still in the trigger guard and the next round chambered. Once the weapon was secured, we noticed that there was a bullet hole into the next room, and woke up the couple who were fast asleep and never heard the gunshot. There was no deformation to the 230 grain ball slug.

This one didn't leave much mess, just a little blood on the bed. Another case where a guy shot himself behind the ear with a .22 pistol led to a situation where he bled out all over the wall, bed, carpet, etc. I don't imagine the motel rented that room out for the next few nights.

 

[Cosmoline]

This practice is slowly but surely putting an end to gun rentals. I don't know any local ranges that rent firearms or have loaners anymore.

 

[Range Ninja]

M2 Carbine, I don't exactly know what "motcho" means.
I'm sorry I'm not more sensitive.
However, don't assume I haven't had a friend that hasn't committed suicide. I knew a guy that was having troubles with his girl friend in college and decided he need to put a 20 ga. to his face and pull the trigger. To say this guy was a bit emotional is an understatement.
His roomates who were shooting pool with me, returned to their apartment to find him slumped on the floor with a good sized hole through his head. The guy never thought of how it would effect his family or friends, he was very selfish in his actions.

 

[Jiml3]

Ktulu;

Perhaps I wasn't clear enough in my earlier post. I was not against a convicted sex offender taking his life, I was against what appeared to be a condemnation of all people who commit suicide. When someone is going thru a living hell with
no hope in sight and takes their own life, I agree that it is a selfish act, but I can and do accept it. I hate the act, but feel strong compassion for the individual. I also like to give people the benefit of the doubt. When you own a dog that is past his time and riddled with pain, out of compassion and love, we put the dog down. I would like to see some of that same compassion given to humans.

 

[Ktulu]

Jim, I think we agree much more then we disagree.

 

[juggler]

OK, I can see your point on that one. I've put down a few pets in my time, and each and every one was an emotional experience. Not easy, even though I'd done all I could to that point and they obviously required me to step in and do the right thing. (Yeah, I know, pets aren't people...just running with Jiml3's post)
So if your issue is with our (society's) inability to extend the same courtesy and compassion to humans as we do to animals I agree.
Rapists, child molesters and murderers, on the other hand, should go painfully.

 

[M2 Carbine]

Well, I'm not sympathetic or even sorry for everyone that commits suicide.

There are some people that if they wanted to kill themselves I'd buy the ammo for them.
Like the convicted sexual molester we are talking about.



Quote,
"The guy never thought of how it would effect his family or friends, he was very selfish in his actions."

There are many reasons to make someone kill themselves and not all are
"very selfish actions".


I don't believe my father killing himself was a selfish action.

If there were selfish actions they were by his family and friends for not helping him through his problems.
(but I don't know, I was too young to know what was going on)



With the young especially, the family and friends may not see it coming but probably many times the family and friends are "so hurt" because they were part of the problem to begin with.



Anyhow, MY bottom line is a person's life is their own and only their's to do with what they please.

It would be better if they choose to end it without dangering anyone else.

 

[M2 Carbine]

Until this thread I never knew this was a problem at the public ranges.

Once in a great while maybe, but not enough to stop gun rentals or possibly shut down ranges.

There must be easier, less messy ways to go.

 

[glockster]

Suicide is the most sellfish,self centered act that a person could do. Second is divorce.

And as was stated prior is when the person commits suicide in a shooting range. They drag everyone else into it as well.

And it just gives Brady,Boxer and Feindstein more ammo for their Nazi,Communist agenda.