Guy waves gun around at work

[Guitargod1985]

I went into work Thursday and found out that something pretty scary happened on my day off (Wednesday).

This guy who works with me found out that his wife (who works with me as well) was having an affair with someone else at work. So this crazy guy decides to bring a pistol into the building and start waving it around at his wife on the second floor. Luckily, someone spotted him in the parking lot placing the pistol in the small of his back and that person called the police. From what I heard, the guy just wanted to "scare" his wife, so he walked back outside after waving the gun. Then he left. No word yet on whether he was caught/arrested whatever, but obviously he has been fired.

All of this further illustrates that despite my company's strict "no weapons" policy, anyone can physically bring a gun in to the building if they want to. In my state it is lawful to carry in a place that prohibits weapons as long as it is not a prohibited place under state or federal law. If you are "made" and asked to leave but refuse, THEN you can be arrested on trespassing charges. I carry to work every day and some people may believe this to be wrong/irresponsible or whatever, but this incident has done nothing more than reassure me that I am indeed making the proper decision to carry at work. This thing could have gone a whole lot different and a lot of people may have been hurt by this whacko. Should this sort of thing happen again, while I am at work, I will not be caught unprepared.

Anyway, I was wondering if anyone else has had a similar experience, possibly while they were present? How did this shape your attitude toward concealed carry? Has your attitude changed or is it the same? Just generally curious, I suppose.

 

[General Geoff]

Imagine what could have gone down had you been there.

 

[Guitargod1985]

I wouldn't have drawn unless he pointed it at me or had already shot someone in my presence

 

[Hoppy590]

maybe wait a few weeks, till everyones settled and start to see if your coworkers and boss change thier attitude about guns. remeber, an anti is only an anti until they get mugged/raped. maybe your boss will see that no little phrase in the employe handbook could stop a jelous lover from killing a lot of people. but one or two armed employees could

 

[Bilt4Comfort]

I wouldn't have drawn unless he pointed it at me or had already shot someone in my presence

Waving a gun around in a fit of rage would have been enough for me, had I been a witness to this behavior, to believe lives were in danger. I'm not waiting for someone to point their weapon at me before I draw mine.

 

[GlowinPontiac]

closest i came to this was having another employee find a .40cal pistol on the mens room floor. from what the police told us someone dropped it in one of the stalls and left. most likey they said it was someone with a pistol permit.

 

[armedandsafe]

I had a 6 month contract with a company with a "no guns" policy. One day, the manager of the department I worked in stuck his head in my office and told me I was needed in the parking lot because one of the assembly-line ladies' ex-was in the parking lot making threats. Now I'm a skinny old fart and am not one normally called to a fist fight, so I just looked at him with raised eyebrows. He then said "You do have it with you, don't you?" I just nodded and pulled "it" out of the (locked) bottom drawer of my desk and headed out with "it" in the IWB holster.

To answer the certain-to-be-asked question , I had recently trained that manager on some points of CCW and self defense, but had never mentioned to him (nor anybody else) that I carried to work.

Pops

 

[The Unknown User]

That's scary. I'm glad nobody got hurt.

 

[ruger_martin_mastermag]

I would have pulled my gun right then and there. If you wait you can get shot. I dont want you or the girl to get shoot. Good thing everyone is safe

 

[O C]

Guy shows up and is seen putting a gun in his pants, someone calls the cops, ( tick,tock,tick,tock) Guy walks into workplace, (tick,tock ) waves gun around ( tick,tock ) walks back out (tick,tock ) gets into his car (tick,tock,tick,tock ) drives away. ( tick,tock,tick,tock,tick,tock). Cops nowhere to be seen. How many rounds could have been fired in that time? At Va Tech 32 people died in that time. and you ask me why I carry?

 

[bsf]

I am glad no one was hurt.

I have never worked for an employer that allowed "weapons" on company property. If some "nutcase" starts waving a gun around at work i am "exiting stage right"; taking the rest of the day off; and possibly searching for new employment.

 

[Mr White]

If it is against your company policy to carry there, you might want to not carry there for awhile until this blows over. Does ANYONE you work with know you carry? Does your company/building hae security guards? Things to think about.

 

[Ala Dan]

No sir, thank the Good Lord I haven't had to face that kind'a danger
from one of these type idiots yet~! IMHO, our worldly situation has gotten
out of hand; even here in the greatest country on the planet. Someone like
this idiot gets these ideas in their mind, and attempts to carry out these
terroristic threats. If you carry at work my friend, my advice would be
too be discreet, and only use your weapon to end the carnage that may
be about to happen.

Heck if his wife is having an affair with another employee, there isn't much
he can do too stop it. As they say, "there are more fish in the sea:; it may
take time too fine one; but they are out there. I would just split the scene,
and find a decent girl that wanted to be with me; and never look back~!

 

[Jerry Morris]

I carry to work every day and some people may believe this to be wrong/irresponsible or whatever, but this incident has done nothing more than reassure me that I am indeed making the proper decision to carry at work.

I will make no judgment call on your practice, it is your call. As long as you are aware of the repercussions of being caught, or having to use "it".

My workplace has the same rule. When this rule seems too dangerous, then it is time to find another job. My resume is too valuable to tarnish with a disciplinary discharge. The possible legal punishments are too severe. A double whammy in my viewpoint.

Jerry

 

[Rustynuts]

My resume is too valuable to tarnish with a disciplinary discharge. The possible legal punishments are too severe.

I can see the resume thing (even though companies probably would be barred from disclosing this fact to potential employers). Most companies these days only verify dates of employment and position. Anything else could be grounds for lawsuits.

As for the legal issues, there shouldn't be any! If you are legal, you are legal period. Depends on the State I guess, but all a private business should be able to do is ask you to leave. Only then if you don't can it be deemed trespassing with a weapon.

 

[Jerry Morris]

I can see the resume thing (even though companies probably would be barred from disclosing this fact to potential employers). Most companies these days only verify dates of employment and position. Anything else could be grounds for lawsuits.

Here in Ohio, many employers have a disclaimer on their applications. Lying on the application is grounds for termination. You agree to the terms at signing. One at my place of work got terminated not too long ago.

As for the legal issues, there shouldn't be any! If you are legal, you are legal period. Depends on the State I guess, but all a private business should be able to do is ask you to leave. Only then if don't can it be deemed trespassing with a weapon.

Once again, in Ohio, we have that nasty "no weapons sticker". You will lose your license to carry concealed and possibly a criminal charge on top of that. If you do not have a license, it depends upon the employer and the Prosecutor. It could be state time.

Jerry

 

[crankshop1000]

You can always take the chance and carry, but if you are made, you will be fired. Better to go down fighting rather than die cowering beneath a desk. Your choice.

 

[Blackbeard]

Luckily, someone spotted him in the parking lot placing the pistol in the small of his back and that person called the police.

Gee, everyone at THR seems to get bent out of shape when someone calls the cops when they spot someone carrying. Now it's lucky that they did?

 

[Guntalk]

www.smartcarry.com for deep concealment.

 

[alucard0822]

There was a similar incident at my job a few years ago that didn't end peacefully. The husband shot and killed his wife at her desk, then could not find the other guy (mailroom clerk), and then killed himself, all before the police arrived. But being in good ol MD, where carry permits are not issued for personal protection, the company basically reiterated its no-weapons policy, and basically went as far to say the situation could have been avoided if the guy simply followed company policy:banghead:. After the VA tech deal, they one again sent out a page long statement of how the no-weapons policy must be strictly followed, with basically everything from pepperspray to pen knives listed as "prohibited weapons" that would result in immediate termination. I basically have to play the odds game with my life as far as firearms are concerned, and not carry. If I were in a free state where I could legally carry, and termination was the worst that could happen (not a felony w/ 5 yrs in prison) then I would carry, keeing in mind the rig would have to be as invisible as I could make it.

I am glad that there was no bloodshed guitargod, and that the situation was diffused.

 

[Kimber1911_06238]

breakups/cheating tend to make people do irrational things. For example, here in CT a few years ago, a guy shot his soon to be ex-wife, her lawyer, and himself in the Court parking garage before they were scheduled for divorce hearing/precedings, whatever they are called.

Glad it didn't go down like that at work.

 

[Flak_Jakett]

Gee, everyone at THR seems to get bent out of shape when someone calls the cops when they spot someone carrying. Now it's lucky that they did?

It's not that people don't think cops should be called. They always should be. The question is what are you going to do in the mean time?

In Oregon there is a statute that says that any public place that says "NO FIREARMS" does not apply to CCW carriers. When I go to school they have a no gun policy, but I carry anyway, and next to it I have a copy of that state law. I'm not sure how it works if a company policy is no gun and you sign a statement saying you'll follow company policy. Could be an unlawfull policy, or it could be you agreeing to not carry at work.

 

[joab]

With what is going on in Orlando these days I would have no problem calling the police if I see someone acting suspiciously with a gun.

I also, though, would not put myself in the line of fire to protect this woman's non existent virtue
I would have my gun out, but still hidden, in case he wasn't sure of just who she was cheating with and decided to make certain he got the right one

I have never been involved with something like this, but I have been asked a couple of times to hang around the office while the manager had to fire people that he was unsure of
Actually everyone was scared witless of one of these guys.
His strange behavior started after he found out he was getting divorced.
Police later found his wife's head in a dumpster
One of the detective magazines did a story on it

 

[Spreadfire Arms]

All of this further illustrates that despite my company's strict "no weapons" policy, anyone can physically bring a gun in to the building if they want to. In my state it is lawful to carry in a place that prohibits weapons as long as it is not a prohibited place under state or federal law. If you are "made" and asked to leave but refuse, THEN you can be arrested on trespassing charges. I carry to work every day and some people may believe this to be wrong/irresponsible or whatever, but this incident has done nothing more than reassure me that I am indeed making the proper decision to carry at work. This thing could have gone a whole lot different and a lot of people may have been hurt by this whacko. Should this sort of thing happen again, while I am at work, I will not be caught unprepared.

the only repercussion it seems, to your company's policy, is that the employee can be fired if he/she violates the company policy, as it is an administrative rule and not a law violation.

so, this company keeps the honest employees from carrying guns (lawfully) for fear of losing their job.

if you are ok with losing your job in using your firearm to defend yourself or others, more power to you!

i guess you can't work if you are dead, right?

 

[Blackbeard]

But being in good ol MD, where carry permits are not issued for personal protection, the company basically reiterated its no-weapons policy, and basically went as far to say the situation could have been avoided if the guy simply followed company policy.

This is where the company should be sued for failure to enforce their no-weapons policy. They can't fire a guy who doesn't work there.