H&K p2000 confusion.

[flinch]

Hello,

I am old and get confused easily. Please tell me does the H&K p2000 with the LEM trigger have the decocker or is it a double action only?

If it doesnt have the LEM trigger does it always have the decocker?

Those Germans always make me confused :banghead:.Thanks.

 

[NMGonzo]

lem trigger has no deckocker ... or at least mine did not

 

[The Lone Haranguer]

No decocker on a LEM. The hammer is never cocked except by pulling the trigger and cannot be cocked manually.

 

[crossrhodes]

I would buy and early USP over the P2000, if your thinking of buying an H&K.

 

[benderx4]

No decocker with the LEM - no safety either. Smooth gun with a smooth trigger - great choice for HD. USPs are great guns as well, but the P2000 is more ergonomic and fits smaller hands a bit better.

 

[Echo9]

The LEM trigger is double action only, so it will never have a decocker.

The LEM trigger has a long, smooth, and relatively light pull for the first shot. The reset is really quick. So basically it's a double action only pistol with a reset that feels like single action.

Same basic idea as Sig's DAK trigger.

 

[PAPACHUCK]

I've never warmed up to the grip on HK's USP/USC pistols, though I know they are great pistols. I know well a CPB Agent who is issued a P2000 and loves it. He is an avid shooter, and has many nice pieces, so I respect his opinion. The gun also feels great in my hand. My first HK just may be a P2000. One day.

 

[wolfe]

Bought a H&K P2000 sk yesterday. Can't wait for it to be delivered and pick it up...

 

[crossrhodes]

H&K is a great pistol but I think they may have pushed a little to quick when they first got the big DHS contract to meet dead lines. I don't want to bag on H&K but there is a batch that are falling apart... real bad. They have frames cracking and chunks of polymer falling off the frame and receiver pins that keep falling out. I'm just afraid to drop that much $$ and end up with one that was a victim of mass production. We had the chance to buy the USP with 6 mags for off duty carry, not one problem with any off them.
I own a USP and love it!!! I'm just a little gun shy ( no pun intended) about the P2000. Or maybe about getting hold of one of those lemons.

 

[jetboater]

"H&K is a great pistol but I think they may have pushed a little to quick when they first got the big DHS contract to meet dead lines. I don't want to bag on H&K but there is a batch that are falling apart... real bad. They have frames cracking and chunks of polymer falling off the frame and receiver pins that keep falling out."



Specifics please??

 

[Highcaliber]

HK 45, 17,014 rounds,,,ZERO Malfunctions, ZERO Stoppages, ZERO PARTS Breakages

I don't know if we are talking only about the P2000 or not but here's a good link on week thirteen of an endurance test on the HK45.
There's no P2000 endurance test, but I thought someone might like these reports.


HK 45, test (WEEK THIRTEEN) 17,014 rounds. ZERO Malfunctions, ZERO Stoppages, ZERO PARTS Breakages

http://pistol-training.com/archives/3263


HK P30, 42 WEEK TEST 91,322 rounds, 13 stoppages, 0 malfunctions, 5 parts failures.

http://pistol-training.com/archives/2668

Your mileage may vary.

 

[usp9]

"H&K is a great pistol but I think they may have pushed a little to quick when they first got the big DHS contract to meet dead lines. I don't want to bag on H&K but there is a batch that are falling apart... real bad. They have frames cracking and chunks of polymer falling off the frame and receiver pins that keep falling out."

I call BS. This is the first I've heard this and I'm pretty tuned in to the HK world.

 

[Shipwreck]

Yes, I agree.

 

[Shopping A Round]

I don't know if we are talking only about the P2000 or not but here's a good link on week thirteen of an endurance test on the HK45.
There's no P2000 endurance test, but I thought someone might like these reports.


HK 45, test (WEEK THIRTEEN) 17,014 rounds. ZERO Malfunctions, ZERO Stoppages, ZERO PARTS Breakages

http://pistol-training.com/archives/3263


HK P30, 42 WEEK TEST 91,322 rounds, 13 stoppages, 0 malfunctions, 5 parts failures.

http://pistol-training.com/archives/2668

Your mileage may vary.

Are five of the P30's stoppages due to the 5 part failures?

edit to answer my question:

No, because a chunk of the frame went missing.

 

[crossrhodes]

USP9

Well. FLETC had a bunch of frames replaced in the beginning and you can take a drive up the north border and take a look for yourself at the pistols.
Like I said. I'm not bagging on H&K, I'm not getting in a pissing contest about the quality of H&K. I think they are an outstanding pistol.....but some times a manufacturer does fall prey to quality issues in the beginning when they are trying to fill a very large contract because the buying agency gave them a ridiculous time line. A certain company had the same problem with their lower receivers being out of spec and some other problems. They had subcontracted out until they were properly tooled up to handle the work load...hence problems. But they had made it out to the street and issued to LEO's. Parts were recalled and replaced.

Fact not fiction. Take drive and take a look.
Also had a very reputable pistol manufacturer had contracted with a machine shop in this area to make slides and some other parts. In the end they had the contract pulled because they keep falling out of spec. But guess what stud muffin, some of those pistol made it to market.
These aren't knee jerk comments I'm making.

 

[Plan-B]

Well. FLETC had a bunch of frames replaced in the beginning and you can take a drive up the north border and take a look for yourself at the pistols.
Like I said. I'm not bagging on H&K, I'm not getting in a pissing contest about the quality of H&K. I think they are an outstanding pistol.....but some times a manufacturer does fall prey to quality issues in the beginning when they are trying to fill a very large contract because the buying agency gave them a ridiculous time line. A certain company had the same problem with their lower receivers being out of spec and some other problems. They had subcontracted out until they were properly tooled up to handle the work load...hence problems. But they had made it out to the street and issued to LEO's. Parts were recalled and replaced.

Fact not fiction. Take drive and take a look.
Also had a very reputable pistol manufacturer had contracted with a machine shop in this area to make slides and some other parts. In the end they had the contract pulled because they keep falling out of spec. But guess what stud muffin, some of those pistol made it to market.
These aren't knee jerk comments I'm making.

Can you post a source for this? A Google search for "FLETC HK P2000" doesn't turn up much in the first few pages regarding failures or breakages. Telling people to drive somewhere to look is fine and dandy, but not practical considering how large this country is.

 

[crossrhodes]

Fletc

Federal Law Enforcement Training Center. I'm a former armorer for ???agency. I'm not going to whip this horse much longer. What I'm talking about is a small % of production. Also you will not find much on the web, if any at all. Those that work with or on firearms had to sign a disclosure and are limited on what they can disclose. Manufactures do not and will not publish certain info and why should they.

 

[usp9]

My BS meter just exploded.

 

[crossrhodes]

Sorry gent's, but this is turning into a school yard argument. I know what I know. The wannabe meter just went off the scale. I could show you pictures but you'll just say they were photo shopped and this will continue into an argument between a bunch of resident experts, wannabe's, under cover factory reps and anyone else that wants to feel important because they just watched the AGI intro dvd.

I will sign off this thread with the respect that every one is entitled to their opinion.


Guns - out

Semper Fi
Factory cert:
Colt
Sig
S&W
(former) DHS field armorer
Glock 17
H&K USP/P2000
UMP 40
Rem 870
Beretta
M4 carbine.

 

[PX15]

JMOfartO:

I don't know squat about the H&K P2000, and "any", or "if" problems some of them might have had..

I will say that my H&K P2000sk (V3) has been an outstanding pistol.. In fact my particular SK is every bit as accurate as either of my H&K P7's, and I never thought any 9MM pistol would match the accuracy of those suckers.

IF there is a downside to the H&K P2000sk (IMO), it would be that a person with large hands might not be comfortable with the standard grip offered using the 10 rd. stock fingertip mag.

In that case simply get the longer 13rd mag from the full sized P2000, add the "X grip adapter", and you wind up with a very nice grip, and three extra rounds in capacity..

I actually like the "feel" of the P2000sk with the longer P2000 mag and X grip, but for concealed carry, I prefer the slightly shorter stock P2000sk mag.



It would seem to me that the slightly smaller SK version of the P2000, since you can use the larger capacity 13rd mags of the larger model would be a better choice for those seeking a concealed carry pistol.

But I'm old.. What do I know?

No offense to anyone,

Best Wishes,

Jesse

 

[crossrhodes]

As stated in my previous post. I'm not bagging on H&K, I own a USP and love it, It was a small % of the pistols that had problem.

Nice looking pistol PX and I'm glad you are enjoying it.

 

[Bentonville]

DA/SA= decocker on right rear by hammer. LEM= no decocker. see pics in this thread:
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/showthread.php?119586-changing-from-LEM-TO-DA-SA-on-a-p2000-sk
The LEM can be had in various trigger pull weights. See:
http://www.hk-usa.com/civilian_products/p2000_general.asp

Just for reading:
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/showthread.php?51749-Project-Break-my-P2000
http://policelink.monster.com/products/products/985-hk-p2000-v3


P2000 is a great pistol with a proven track record. Not sure where the negative reports come from but there are folks who have worked for HK and even the people who work for HK in Columbus don't seem to know about the things mentioned. I have known a lot of people who shoot the P2000 and the P2000 SK who have never had a problem in thousands of rounds. YMMV

 

[flinch]

Im thinking the P2000 is the same concept as the Walther P99 AS but with a decocker that is easier to use. My problem is decide between a P2000 or a USP compact. Actually the big problem is the $$.

 

[Bentonville]

I try to save for what I want and search for the best prices. CDNN has good prices in my experience. That way I don't have to settle for less than the best.
The USP is more of a handful than the P2000. The P2000 feels like is was made just for my hand which is on the smallish side. The P30 is even better as far as fit to my hand. Good luck!

 

[bannockburn]

Bentonville

Same here with a smaller hand. I had a USP 40 but never really felt all that comfortable with the frame size. Like yourself, the P2000 and the P30 both felt more suitable and more ergonomic in my hand.