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H&K USP 45: How good is it?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by el Godfather, Jul 20, 2012.

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  1. el Godfather

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    Dear THR:
    H&K USP 45: How good is it:
    In accuracy, reliability, durability, and value for money.

    When compared to other full size polymer 45s.

    Thank you
     
  2. FIVETWOSEVEN

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    I'd say that a new one is over priced but they are darn good guns and you can't wrong with them. Compared to others I would say that the USP is on par.
     
  3. pittspilot

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    Those of us with smaller hands find H&K ergonomics to be lacking. But if it fits you, it should work fine.
     
  4. 9mmepiphany

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    I think the ergo is the USP 45 are a bit behind the SIG 220 or a polymer pistol like the S&W M&P45.

    That is why H&K introduced the H&K45, to address the shortcomings of the USP with many of the ergos of the P2000
     
  5. CPshooter

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    Yes, but in the process of addressing the USP's "shortcomings" they made some compromises. Round capacity has been reduced by 2 and the thick magazine floor plate makes the gun look gaudy. I also think they messed up the HK45c. What was the point of adding an accessory rail that doesn't even work with the full-size Surefire X300 light? I'd rather have a USP 45 Compact with the rail adapter because it looks better and the light fits it well. I also don't care for their rattling right-side slide release levers. I own a P2000sk and the only complaint I have is the stupid rattling slide release lever. Doesn't affect performance one bit, but when you are right-handed it just doesn't make sense to have extra crap on the gun, especially if it makes noise and makes a $900 gun feel cheap.

    Just sayin...the new P30 models are nice, but if I want a H&K .45 I'm sticking with the USP. As long as you don't have small hands there is nothing wrong with the USP ergonomics.
     
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  6. 9mmepiphany

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    They point of the HK45 was to build the ultimate .45ACP platform when they realized that they couldn't build a 1911 at a price marketable in the numbers needed to justify production.

    The rail is supposed to be a mil-spec standard replacing the USP's proprietary rail. The frame was designed to fit a wider range of hand sizes and the grips were designed by Nills. They incorporated many lessons learned in the intervening years, from the USP introduction, and already used in the P2000. The HK45c was designed as a big brother to the P2000...why would you even put a light on a compact gun?

    I don't have a problem with large framed gun...the Glock 30 feels fine...but the USP 45 feels like a 2"x4", especially with its oversharp checkering, while the HK45 just felt comfortable the first time I picked one up
     
  7. FMF Doc

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    I find it over rated, and would rather have a good Sig P220 any day of the week.
     
  8. CPshooter

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    The USP.45 compact tactical and the HK45ct are both great candidates for a light. Why have all those ugly rail notches on a compact gun in the first place if you aren't going to put a light on it? My point was that if they went through the trouble of putting a real mil-spec rail up front, they should have made the dust cover a tad bit longer to accommodate a real light.
     
  9. 9mmepiphany

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    I understand your reasoning and would offer that they are there for the same reason that they still have have a squared trigger guard...even when proper technique has shown that it is redundant.

    But a more likely reason is that they either didn't want to design a separate frame than that on the fullsize or they just thought the family resemblance looked good
     
  10. balance 740

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    H&K makes excellent pistols.

    The only two complaints I normally see when people speak of H&K pistols, is the price, and the trigger. I almost never hear of complaints with the accuracy, reliability, durability, or quality of their pistols.

    If an H&K fits you, and you shoot it well, then you will more than likely find that it is an excellent pistol for you.
     
  11. usp9

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    My USPs are very reliable and accurate. I prefer the controls on them over other brands such as the Sig P220. Makes a great duty weapon. Excellent choice.
     
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  12. 9mmepiphany

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    Well...you also hear complaints that H&K CS don't love you unless you are Jack Bauer ;)

    On a more serious note, I do prefer the SIG 220's trigger to that of the USP or HK45
     
  13. balance 740

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    People seem to be reporting that their CS has been improved over the years. I've never had to use them, but I hear they hate us less now.

    :D

    I prefer Walther and the 9mm, but if I was to pick up a .45, I'd probably pick a Sig 220 SAO or an H&K HK45c.
     
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    Very reliable and very durable.
    No more accurate than any other polymer .45.
    Not a great value for your money IMO (overpriced).
     
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    I used to own one. Very accurate, and highly reliable; saddled with an awful trigger.
     
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    CS is battin' 1000 with me. I have used them for several different reasons over the years and have always had fast turn-around times, perfect and professional work, reasonably priced for what I wanted done, and eager to please. Just my two cents based on personal experience and not hearsay. Oh..and the guns are worth the money in my estimation. DA triggers don't please but the SA is fine and the light LEM is really nice .....again based on my personal experience only.
     
  17. el Godfather

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    It is very interesting that a few of you mentioned that it is good in accuracy yet complained about trigger.

    I wonder if the trigger was improved the accuracy would most likely improve tremendously.
     
  18. usp9

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    I have both the standard HK trigger and the excellent match trigger. While one is noticably better than the other, almost all of my shooting is done single action anyway and the standard HK trigger is just fine for good accuracy results IMHO. The gun will always be better than my eyesight and rapidly aging muscular control ability.;)
     
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    That's got to be hell on your underwear.


    I had a USP .40, it was great.
     
  20. HKGuns

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    Too much is made about triggers. HK's triggers are fine. No, they're not revolver target triggers, but they're not target pistols. Oh, and I also have small hands and the controls work just great for my small hands.

    You'd be hard pressed to find a better pistol than the USP 45. If your goal is concealed carry you should look at the 45C. Pictured below.

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    Top notch in the first three categories, good value, but ergonomics that only a robot could love.
     
  22. grptelli

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    I bougtht a H&K USP 45 in 1997 with SS slide fulsize. It was my best gun and a sopft shoting 45. It was more accurate than me! DUMBEST mistake I made was to sell it for another gun. I miss my USP but can't seem to come up with the $$$ right now to buy another one. Back when I bought it I was single and had extra $$$. Now I'm married with kids, and a lot of bils.
    Maybe when tax return time next year. Love H&K. If I had a choice now, I'd take the HK45 over the USP.
     
  23. Grunt

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    My USP-45F is my "go-to" gun of choice. Quality is top notch as is accuracy and reliability. The recoil reduction system works great where 230 grain ammo feels like 185 grain ammo through lesser designs. Some folks complain about the propriety rail design rather than the standard picatinny rail that is so common now. Keep in mind H&K pioneered the rail design with the Mk23 and USP designs before there was such a thing as a rail on a pistol. These were the first and with no standard to go by, I won't fault them for it. Besides, if it really is an issue, there are adaptors that will mate up with the USP rail to work with standard lights and lazers. Others complain about the poor trigger is solved by either going with the match trigger like I did on my USP-45F or the LEM trigger like I did on my USP-40C.
    One other thing about the USP is the ability to be carried cocked and locked yet still have a second strike capability or the option to carry it hammer down like a traditional DA/SA pistol. Another advantage to the USP that every other maker out there lacks the foresight of is operations in cold weather. Now when I talk about cold weather, I'm NOT talking about spending an hour or two out in 20-30 degree temps. I'm talking about spending entire days in 20-30 BELOW zero temps! True, I have Glocks, Sigs, 1911s, CZs and others that work just fine in cold weather as well but ever try to get a glove that's heavy enough to keep your fingers from freezing and falling off in those conditions in the trigger guard or say a Glock, Sig or 1911? Probably not going to happen and if it does, it's a tight fit that is now on the brink of accidently depressing the trigger because you don't have enough room. Not a problem with a cocked and locked USP since the trigger guard is freakin' huge! The CZ-75 and EAA Witness come close but still not as large as the USP design. You may think this is a minor thing but if you spend any amount of time in those conditions, it becomes pretty danged important!
    Another thing about the USP is you can make it any way you want it. Right handed and want to carry it cocked and locked only, there's a variant for that. DAO or lefty that wants a decocking lever only? There's a variant for that. Maybe you're like me and like the safety lever and decocking feature but want it in ambidextrious design. Yup, there's a variant for that one too. Maybe you want the precocked mainspring and light pull of the LEM trigger. That's do-able and maybe you want that same LEM trigger but with a manual safety because you are concerned about gun-snatching bad guys. Yup, you can even do that too! Standard barrels, threaded barrels, barrels with O-rings for enhanced accuracy can be had as well as various sights can be had as well. No, it's not anywhere close to the 1911 or Glock for aftermarket parts but then again, it really doesn't need any either. So, does this answer your question is the USP is really that good?;)
     
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    HK customer service

    OH BTW, before the "We're HK and we hate you" crowd shows up to parrot on about poor customer service, let me tell you about my first hand experience with them. When I got my USP-40C, it was a used gun. When I got it back home I took it apart to clean it and found that the washer and snap ring that keeps the recoil spring and guide rod as a single unit was missing. Granted, my USP-40C still worked 100% even with those parts missing, it was just harder to assemble. I called HK's customer service on a Monday and told them about the problem. They said I could either send it in or they would send me the parts to put them in myself. I opted to have them send me the parts and when I asked them how much it would cost, they told me there was no charge. I again told them that this was bought as a USED freakin' gun but they didn't care and still wanted to send me those parts out free of charge. By Friday I had those parts in hand and installed so that was a matter of 5 days shipping between Virginia to North Dakota so they got them out ASAP. Now I don't care what the haters say because in my experience they are 180 out on this. If that's what somebody calls poor customer service, I'd have to question just what a manufacturer has to do to make these people happy?:confused:
     
  25. FIVETWOSEVEN

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    Never a HK thread without fanboyism. You can find pistols that are just as reliable, accurate, and a better trigger to boot. I would imagine that a pistol that costs a grand have a better trigger like other brands.


    Right.....:scrutiny:
     
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