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H.R. 1168: To amend chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, to extend the firearm

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  1. jpk1md

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    McCarthy is a bad evil women

    H.R. 1168: To amend chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, to extend the firearm and...

    To amend chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, to extend the firearm and ammunition prohibitions applicable to convicted felons to those convicted in a foreign court.

    Introduced: Feb 16, 2007
    Sponsor:
    Rep. Carolyn McCarthy [D-NY](no cosponsors)
    Cosponsors
    Cosponsorship information sometimes is out of date.
    Last Action: Feb 16, 2007: Referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary.
    Full Text: (The text of this legislation is not yet available on GovTrack. It may not have been made available by the Government Printing Office yet.)

    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-1168
     
  2. nigmalg

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    Do we recognize foreign convictions in any other aspect of our legal system?
    Do felony provisions match up at all?
     
  3. LAR-15

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    This is a bad bill.
     
  4. vis-à-vis

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    So we are now punishing people here for crimes committed elsewhere? I can understand immigration prohibitions, but once in country I don't see the reason.

    McCarthy is a tyrant. Anyone want to come over my house and burn an effigy of her and King George III in my yard while firing an assault weapon into the air and singing the Star Spangled Banner as we drink Sam Adams or some other patriot named brew?
     
  5. HiroProX

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    So immigrants from countries where political dissent are felony offenses get screwed over still when they reach our shores.

    Every bill that squack puts out only convinces me more and more that she should be stripped of her citizenship and deported... at a minimum.
     
  6. Dmack_901

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    It should be illegal to propose a bill so blatently unconstitutional.
     
  7. alucard0822

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    US and foreign laws are not compatible, to ban ownership of a firearm by a legal citizen with no US convictions is not only wrong and unfounded, but also at least in my opinion would create an open door to her globalist agenda.

    Its too bad Maryland and Kentucky are so far apart vis-a-vis, sounds like fun.
     
  8. Kael

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    alucard0822,
    We can do it at my place, but I don't think the neighbors would approve. :)
     
  9. Duncan223

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    Look at it like this, every person you ever heard of that got nailed in a foreign country, like Mexico, for having bullets in their trunk, or a half a joint in their ashtray, will now be treated as another level of criminal in America.

    Too bad the libtard asshats weren't forced to live under Sharia law. Maybe then they would understand how damn good we really have it here in America.

    :cuss: :cuss: :cuss:
     
  10. GRIZ22

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    I belive there is case law on this. If I recall correctly the court said we can't be sure someone was afforded "rights" in other countries so we couldn't hold "felony" convictions against them. Although a little different from what we are talking about here, immigration law excludes aliens based on "crimes of moral turpitude", types of crimes not the length of the sentence.

    McCarthy obviously would exclude any former Soviet Union gulag prisoner sent there for "political crimes" or a Cuban immigrant who did a few years for badmouthing Fidel.
     
  11. alucard0822

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    There are a lot of other countries that don't allow Women in politics, is she planning on recognizing those laws too? Surprisingly enough convicted felons cannot own fireams, but there is nothing keeping them from running for office.
     
  12. skinnyguy

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    I think this bill is just another chip out of our freedoms. So if speeding through the city limits is a felony in the country of Grabyourcash, and John Doe, U.S. citizen and tourist is caught going 2 km per hour (1.2 mph) faster than the post 30 kph (18 mph) he is now a felon and not eligible to keep his museum of collectible civil war flintlocks. just flippin' great.... isn't it????

    How about on the flip side though, we even the scales. REMOVE diplomatic immunity to any and all foreign dignitaries in OUR country, so they then have to abide by all the rules and regulations and laws and codes and policies and whatever else they can be called that WE CITIZENS must comply with?
     
  13. bpsig

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    bad bill

    It is already a practice for the Supreme Court to use laws from outside the Usa now. Many cases were decided last year that way. Most of our so called lawmakers are wanting to roll around a union similiar to the european mess. Then follow their charters. civilized subjects without guns except for certain groups and of course the criminals.
     
  14. roscoe

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    You guys need to relax. Sure, she is bad, but the Supreme Court has already rejected this exact law. The reason is simple: that what counts as a felony in another country might be public protest, underground newspapers, belonging to an opposition party, any manner of political 'crimes' that are felonies. I have a friend that was accused of treason in Ethiopia for acting as an attorney for a opposition candidate. But, like I said, the Supreme Court has already rejected this law once.

    Incidentally, Scalia and Thomas voted to uphold the conviction:
    Small v. United States, No. 03-750:
    "In dissent, Justices Clarence Thomas, Antonin Scalia and Anthony M. Kennedy said, among other things, that "any" means what it says. "Indisputably, Small was convicted in a Japanese court of crimes punishable by a prison term exceeding one year," Justice Thomas wrote. "The clear terms of the statute prohibit him from possessing a gun in the United States."
     
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    hmmm...

    ...she's trying to use ANY opening available; through all this legislation, she's hoping to hit as many triggers, of as many people, who might have been affected as she was...
    She has only one agenda...ban all guns and ammunition... rauch06.gif
     
  16. ProguninTN

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    roscoe

    roscoe has the right idea. This is an attempt to reverse Small v. United States through legislation. Besides the fact that what is a crime in foreign nations may be legal here, the court also noted that other nations do not always grant the accused the same rights they have on US soil. All the more reason why Small is a good ruling.
     
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    It's not simply am agenda anymore. She has a fixation. Don't suppose anyone could turn up some dirt on her, and get her into the papers? I mean, she doesn't just see guns as bad, she literally hates them. At every turn.

    I mean, I hate to be mean about it, but maybe it's time to check into her campaign contributions. She's one congresswoman, and all of this seems to be coming out of her office exclusively. Not like it's the party line. So much that it's showing up on the radar. She really has a problem with guns.

    Bordering on irrational. And she is wasting valuable time with this legislation that could be focused on more productive things, like maybe the war? That may be the only reason why a lot of these people ended up in office, and they are spending what seems to be almost no time on it whatsoever.

    How does that happen? And if you think it doesn't get any weirder, there was another candidate from New York, running in the 1996 election, a republican, named Denis Mccarthy. Unusual spelling for the name, and exactly the way Carolyn Mccarthy's deceased husband spelled his. What are the odds of that? He was running for the 17th district, out of the Bronx. That's just plain twilight zone stuff.
     
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