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H&R Hammerless .38 S&W

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  1. velocette

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    I was given an H&R hammerless, top break .38 S&W revolver. It is in fairly good condition aside from being apart & missing a few pieces.
    It is marked on the top of the barrel:
    Harrington & Richardson Arms Co (with the o in Co underlined)
    Worcester.Mass.U.S.A. .38 S&W CTGE is on the side of the barrel.
    I've been using the parts list from Numrich arms to identify and replace the missing parts. I've gotten a replacement trigger spring and a replacement hand with spring. However, the Numrich arms page shows a small coil spring to move what they call the sear. In my revolver, there is no place for coil spring. Also I can find no listing for a spring that will hold the lifter against the hammer. Can anyone help?

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    The coil spring fits inside the rear of the trigger guard.
    There should be just a small recess in the trigger guard for one coil to set into.
    You have to assemble the sear and spring into the rear trigger guard with a short Dummy Pin, ( a cut off round toothpick works really well ) the width of the trigger guard housing, and then when assembled into the frame, the sear Pivot pin pushes the dummy pin out when it is inserted.
    I have a whole collection of similar pistols that I got in the same or worse condition than yours.
    Got them all firing again, but I had to Make most of the missing parts since I cant always find what I need.
    there is no spring on the lifter.
    The lifter fits into the notch of the hammer and when the Hand is pushed forward by that spring, it puts tension on the lifter.
     
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    LAGS;
    Thank you for the information. The coil spring is quite short & fits under the sear between the trigger guard rear section. There is no hole or cutout for it, it is just in an area it cannot escape from. Correct?
    Next, the lifter which connects the trigger to the hammer should have some form of spring to keep it held against the hammer. Can you name the spring or describe it?

    Roger
     
  4. Jim K

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    There are parts there that don't belong to that gun. The lever (hand) and its spring appear to be from a later model (see GPC diagram for the 925 et al.). The straight spring coming down from the hand fits into a hole in the new type trigger. The correct lever and lever spring for that gun are shown as GPC HRH-22, and HRH-23. The correct lever spring has a lug that contacts the sloping ramp on the lifter to push the lever forward and the lifter back.

    Also, the hammerless (concealed hammer) guns don' t have the type of sear LAGS is thinking of since the hammer cannot be cocked.

    Jim
     
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    Thank you Jim, You are correct on the Hammerless model.
    The last one I rebuilt was a Hammer model made in 1907.
    I know it was that year, because it had half of the new style parts, and half of the old style parts.
    They changed models that year, and everything on that gun was original.
     
  6. Jim K

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    I am probably responsible for a couple of "new models". When I couldn't get those lever springs any more, I did a quickie redesign to use a wire spring; the fix worked OK, but no one is going to find that spring in the GPC catalog.

    Jim
     
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    The part #22 is the correct lever for your gun, but the lever shown in your pictures is not that part. Part #22 is made so the spring #23 fits into the back part; the left end of the spring in the GPC picture fits into the curved "hook" at the back of the lever. The right end of the spring (you can't tell from the picture) has a side projection that rides on that straight ramp in the lifter.

    Apparently they sent you the wrong part (they may be out of the correct one), and you will have to either modify the lever you have and make a spring to work like the original or get the correct lever and spring.

    Jim
     
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    Jim;
    To make sure I understand, the spring that is swaged in the top of the hand should have a tab or be formed in such a way that it presses against the lifter, thus holding the lifter back against the hammer.
    That would make sense as that spring on the hand pressing against the lifter would also press the hand forward to engage the cylinder ratchet.
    Do I have it right?

    Roger
     
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    I can't do it right now, but tomorrow I will try to do a sketch showing how the correct lever (hand) and spring work with the lifter. That lever is simply wrong, period; it is for a later gun.

    Jim
     
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    I will sttempt to attach the sketch I promised. I hope it is clear, but note that the lever is NOT the one you have in the pictures.

    The numbers are the part numbers from the GPC catalog.

    Jim
     

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