H&R M12, Moss 144 CMP rifles

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  1. jefnvk

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    OK, are these decent rifles? I have been thinking about a bolt .22 lately, and the price on these certainly isn't bad on the M12, $225. Everything I read about the gun seems to put them as a real decent shooting gun. I don't need a field gun, I already have a 10/22 for that, so the weight and size doesn't bother me.

    What I want to really know about, is what I can do for sights/scopes on this gun. It doesn't come with any sights, or handguard for that matter (Although I have found those for about $20, no big deal there if I end up wanting it).

    Also, is the Mossberg 144 a decent alternative? Research on my part seems to indicate that it will be not quite as accurate as teh M12, but on the plus side it has the sights. All it is missing is the magazine, which can be had for about $30. It is $229.

    Or, should I just consider the CZ 452?
     
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    I would get the CZ.
     
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    Are you buying these through the CMP?

    For those prices I would agree on getting a CZ. I have a Mossy Model 44 actually have 2. They are great guns, but they may be getting down to the bottom of the barrel. I like to look at them in person. I did not get mine throught the CMP program BTW, both were at my local gunshop and I paid under $150 for each.

    With that said you cannot go wrong with a CZ 452, both of mine shoot great, one is the basic trainer model, the other is one of the weird long barrel trainers called the UltraLux 2500. They shoot wonderfully. If you want a bench gun with a heavy barrel they are starting to make one with a nice stock. Probably won't shoot any better than the thin barrel model though.
     
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    I realized that like so often happens, I didn't actually answer your question.

    Between those two I would get the Mossy.

    Havlin Sales makes a Weaver mount that screws into the receiver on the Mossy using existing tapped holes. Works great and is about 25 bucks.

    - Dave
     
  5. Jim Watson

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    Get a new CZ.

    The Mossberg was a good deal when they first put them out for $80. $229 is just nuts, they are WELL used guns.

    The H&R is a good rifle for the money but the remaining ones don't come with sights, the MTU probably robbed them to go on Highpower Match Rifles. And I don't think they are drilled and tapped for sporting scopes, I know one guy with a scope in one ring scabbed onto the rear target scope block location. It weighs a ton and is not really suited for anything but prone. That said, I am thinking about getting one to set up as a practice rifle for F-class.
     
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    Ditto on the CZ - the best value in .22's today. I've got a 452 Trainer ($220) and it has the best iron sights on any .22 rifle I've seen. They are easy to scope. They make me look like an expert marksman - which is saying a lot.
     
  7. jefnvk

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    Whats the 452 Trainer, I haven't seen that one yet? All the other CZ's I seen were running about the $300 mark, but if that is about $220, it may be my option.

    EDIT: Does the trainer just have a cheaper wood on it?

    And yeah, I would be at the store to pick mine out. I'm headed down this weekend, probably my last chance before Christmas, when I would have to redo all my club info.

    And I didn't know that the 144's were $80 at one point. I would agree that that is nuts, they did lok like used guns last time I looked.
     
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