Had a weird one with Fiocchi 9mm today

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I went to the range today after two trips to the Social Security office to get replacement cards for the youngest ones (Looong, NSFW story as to why they made me make two trips!). I brought along two 9mm’s; the CZ75B that I just picked up on Friday and installed CGW spring kit on Saturday, and my SA Ronin 4.25” 1911. Ammo was a hodge podge mix of Blazer brass 124 gr and Fiocchi 115 gr FMJ.

The CZ shot as expected at 7 and 10, but juuust a bit right at 15 yards. No bobbles with either ammo. (7 & 10 here.)

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The Ronin was chugging along, firing a few magazines full of each brand. Then, while firing another magazine of Fiocchi, the gun cycled but didn’t feel right. I looked at the gun, it was about 1/8” out of battery. I dropped the magazine, which still had a round or or two in it, and tried to put the safety on. No dice. (Out of battery 🤪!!) The slide was locked in place and would NOT move forward or backward under hand pressure at all, even pushing the front edge of the slide on the bench wouldn’t move it.

I put the guns in my case, went to the counter, explained the issue and the RO and I took it into the armory. Using a brass rod in the barrel, I tapped it on the ground, which dislodged the cartridge stuck in the chamber.

The bullet had broken its crimp and seated itself so deep in the case during the feeding cycle it swelled the cartridge case and wedged itself in the chamber.

I went back into the range room and loaded a different magazine with Fiocchi. On the third shot the round did it again, jamming itself in the gun. This time I dropped the magazine, put the Ronin back in the case, went home and tapped it out in the garage.

I realized when I got home I had made one error when I dumped the case of Fiocchi into the ammo can. For some reason I didn’t put a box-end with the lot number into the can. When I have an issue with ammo I like to let the manufacturer know, but without the lot numbers I can’t ID the ammo beyond the maker and caliber.

I have fired easily 3,000 Fiocchi rounds through my 9mm’s over the past couple of years, this is the first batch with compromised neck tension like these had. (I still have 1,500 still in the case yet to open.)

Blazer & Fiocchi unfired, the two compressed Fiocchi rounds:
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Regular Fiocchi round properly seated in the Ronin chamber: IMG_6814.jpeg

Compressed Fiocchi round seated fully: IMG_6815.jpeg

As always; if it doesn’t look right, sound right and/or feel right; STOP SHOOTING!
Keep it pointed downrange. Put it on safe if equipped, unload the chamber(s) and any magazines if possible, and then safely check for the problem.

Stay safe.
 
Low bullet pull + steep ramp = setback.

What to do?
Burn them up in the CZ.
Complain to Fiocchi and hope for refund or replacement. "Good customer service" don't 'cha know.
Pull and reload with U die.

You could also try running the batch through a taper crimp die and see if the problem goes away

I would probably take the suggested CZ option myself.

BTW, your CZ grips look exactly like the ones on my CZ 75B SA.

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You could also try running the batch through a taper crimp die and see if the problem goes away
This sounds a not so bad idea. Been buying Blazer Brass, due to the price of primers, and it has run fine in my autos. Got it for $0.24 @.
But I have noticed some bullet pull in the S&W 986, which I don't recall with my handloads. May try running a box through the press and see if it helps.
Moon
 
You could also try running the batch through a taper crimp die and see if the problem goes away

That's what I would do... and particularly considering you have over a case of it left. I'd probably make a test run of 100 rounds, and if that was successful, run with it.

I'm actually not a big fan of Fiocchi ammos, in any of it's incarnations, I prefer domestic stuff... but that is no guarantee, anymore, these days of problem-free ammos.
 
You could also try running the batch through a taper crimp die and see if the problem goes away

I would probably take the suggested CZ option myself.

BTW, your CZ grips look exactly like the ones on my CZ 75B SA.

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I bought a set of Cool Hand G-10 grips for one of my first CZ pistols. I liked how they feel so much that all of my CZ’s now have them (except the Shadow 2). I went with different colors just to make each gun a bit more individual, the 75B got the blueish ones.

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Stay safe.
 
I agree what others have said. It just takes a second or two to inspect your ammo and it’s a good safety measure. Also throughout the shooting session pop out the mag halfway through and just taking a peek and see if they’re set back or whatever.
 
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I actually had the exact same thing happen with Fiocchi 115gr in my Dan Wesson Guardian. It was stuck stuck, right in the middle of a bowling pin match. I tried unsuccessfully to get it unstuck on the line for a solid 30 seconds, gave up and threw my mags at the pins (DQ'd) then watched the other guy not hit anything for another 30 seconds. Got it unstuck the same way you did but thought the setback was from knocking the round rearward out of the chamber.

Figured it was a fluke. I have a couple boxes left, but haven't shot any of it since I quit being lazy and actually loaded some ammo.
 
I'm actually not a big fan of Fiocchi ammo
Only Fiocchi on hand is some .32s, and some wrath-of-God 140 FMJ .357s, that clocked nearly 1100'sec, out of a snub. They are utterly obnoxious to shoot in the 340SC, but as last-ditch GTFOM for Black Bears, they'll do.
Couldn't get those numbers with my reloads. :oops:
Sorry for the sidetrack.
Moon
 
Low bullet pull + steep ramp = setback.

What to do?
Burn them up in the CZ.
Complain to Fiocchi and hope for refund or replacement. "Good customer service" don't 'cha know.
Pull and reload with U die.

There's a fourth option!

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No worry of setback here!
 
Not sure if we're seeing cause or effect. Remember that the case walls start to taper up pretty quickly in the 9mm.

If the feeding process is somehow jamming those bullets deeply into the case, that could be swelling the cartridge due to the taper of the case walls and resulting in the cartridge jamming in the chamber and therefore failing to fully chamber.
 
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