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So I usually fire back by saying , "yeah, especially those Jew's and Blacks and Asians and Latino's shouldn't have guns cause it make it so much easier to round them up and put them in the camps."
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One of my favorite unknown facts about gun control involves "Saturday Night Special" laws. They were the first gun control laws to hit the books, and they were designed solely to keep guns out of the hands of freed slaves. I like pointing that one out because (and I may be kicking the hornet's nest here) libs tend to buy in to the idea that blacks are to this day being oppressed.

Economically disadvantaged demographic + banned inexpensive arms = disarmed demographic.
 
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can't argue with experience. Luv the definition. It's probably the factors of; I live in a mountain area where lines blur often between redneck and hippie, conservative mountain folk and do it yurself homesteaders, new age healers and christian mystics. Add to that my wild hair etc. and you get people who are willing to hear me out, most of the time. That...and I just can't stand to go away from the fight, even thought many hear called it the High Road, the fight can be low intensity, but they have to hear my side, and see that not all gun owners are insane blood smeared beer drinking killers. . . . on the surface :evil: :D
 
Next time you might want to try this approach, very gently.

I can see why you might be worried about strangers who legally carry concealed weapons. My own concern is a little different. Those people who have concealed weapons permits all have background checks by the FBI and the state, so I'm not too worried about them. I'm worried about the people I don't really know who aren't cleared by the FBI and the state police. So I'm curious about, say, the people here who haven't been cleared. Have you passed background checks recently? If not, I'm curious why you haven't.
 
There is a generic problem of folks announcing their lunatic fringe opinions at gatherings.

I've suffered through antigunners to racists at get togethers. Better to stay home and watch a movie sometime. Best to avoid the conflict.

I really don't care about your unsolicited opinion about anything.
 
Robert,

you bring up a good point. After having passed a CCW test, we have PROOF that we are not criminals. Those that do not have the liscence have NO physical proof that they are not criminals or have not been a criminal... So why haven't these people got CCWs? Are they afraid that they won't pass the test?
 
The best part about arguing with far left liberals is that they desire unrestricted rights in other cases. This can be such a powerful tool, and indeed leverage, when arguing a far left gun-grabber:

Tell them that women shouldn’t be allowed to speak on the weekends, that no one under 35 should be allowed an abortion and that they should have to listen to prayers in school on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays. Then just sit back and watch them go ballistic telling why your rights should be limited (or even stripped) but their cherished rights shouldn’t be limited. Draw a parallel between their desire to limit your rights and your desire to limit theirs, saying that the reasons for such limitations are completely irrelevant as they are just excuses for letting personal opinions be used to limited rights. Then, finally, remind them that the 2nd Amendment is what protects the rights they cherish. Ask them how they plan to keep there rights intact from a government that takes away their very ability to do so.

*** I would even show my CCW to the gun-grabber and say something like: “I respect your rights enough that I am actively working to protect them even though you are trying to completely destroy my rights. Who’s the hypocrite now?
 
I was showing a gunstock I'm in the process of refinishing to my sister, the other goes nuts and demands I put it away, that she doesn't want to hear about guns or even see them, that they are bad and that no one needs guns...:barf: :barf:

I had two choices;
Point out using nice word that she's a complete idiot and is speaking on emotions and not facts.

or

Tell her that I know she has differing opinions about guns and I see no reason to debate something with her due to past expirence.

Choice B ticked her off more because I wouldn't start an arguement. She kept pushing, so I decided to fight back. I'd turned the cheek once. She's got a degree in psycology so I explained that she was projecting fears of her lack of self control onto others with blanket statements like the ones she made. I pointed out that attributing an inanimate object with human traits (guns are bad) is often a sign of mental disorder. I pointed out that by taking guns away from the people a government gets too powerful, I cited Nazi Germany, USSR, China. She caries a wistle on her key chain to "stop rapists and criminals" I explained that ccw is like a wistle that works when no one is around to save you. Then I asked why she thought bystandards would try and help, since as a social worker, she's seen how people just turn a blind eye so often.

The result was an emotional BF like no other, she knew she had no facts or counter attack except to storm off and call me some nice 4 letter words:D

So I don't advocate picking a fight, especially in another's home, sometimes they'll get even more ticked when they try to pick a fight and you don't bite.
 
you bring up a good point. After having passed a CCW test, we have PROOF that we are not criminals. Those that do not have the liscence have NO physical proof that they are not criminals or have not been a criminal... So why haven't these people got CCWs? Are they afraid that they won't pass the test?
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An interesting variant of what I suggested is to say, calmly and matter of factly, "Am I the only person in this room who can prove he is not a criminal and has never been convicted of a felony? That's scarey."
 
Anyone who decides, at a family gathering and during a holiday, to make politically venomous pronouncements has some internal problems. There isn't anything you could have done but made it turn ugly.


Just smile and bring up another topic, even if you have to say, "This isn't appropriate for the holiday, Jane . . ." Then tell your best buddy and his girlfriend you don't want to spend time with those people if they can't be gracious hosts. It'll get back to them.
 
I think that you did the right thing.

BUT on the other hand, when libs come to my house if the subject comes up, YES I have a gun. I am pro gun. We can talk about it. If asked if I carry, I ask why? Then state it none of your concern. Lets have dinner. :D
 
When arguing/discussing with raving anti-gun folks, an old saying applies, "Do not argue with a pig, it does no good and only annoys the pig."
 
I think an excellent response would have been to excuse yourself, go out the front door to your car, open and close your car door, and return to the gathering. Offer no explanation, and if asked tell them you did not want to argue, and felt your gun unwelcome so you locked it in the car.

The option of starting an argument would then be theirs.
 
I routinely keep my mouth shut at family gatherings.

Either it is the vegans/vegitarians, the anti's, the ones that want the government to do everything for them yet complain about their taxes...you get the picture. So I sit and nod and act as a good guest if the topic of discussion ever turns to that subject.

In my own house I keep the topics from ever coming up unless they are pro-gun, hunting type friends.
 
One of my gifts was a spotting scope, and her even MORE liberal sister started spouting off how no one should be allowed CC licenses. Here I am sitting on the couch with my VA and FL permits and it was all I could do to not make a scene. Frankly I'm no good with friendly arguments so I shut my trap.
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Unfortunately, super liberal sister goes away thinking she has won a moral victory.

Pilgrim
 
not all gun owners are insane blood smeared beer drinking killers. . . . on the surface
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SamT:

Does this mean that, deep down, under that lovable exterior you project to the world that you really ARE an insane blood smeared beer drinking killer? Inquiring minds want to know...

:evil: :D
 
When arguing/discussing with raving anti-gun folks, an old saying applies, "Do not argue with a pig, it does no good and only annoys the pig."
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Yep, it's a waste of time to argue with idiots. These are the same double-standard morons, who if/when faced with a situation where a gun is the only option, will expect others to provide one to them, or otherwise protect them with a gun.
 
Although my friends and family members are pro-U.S. Constitution... the way it was written, I have at times, when I lived in Los Angeles, found myself in the company of left wing liberals at social functions. (Hollywood type functions.) As politics was sometimes discussed, it was not unusual for the "gun control" issue to come up. There was always someone who'd go off into rants and raves of how evil guns and gun owners were.

I would then say, "I disagree with you 100%, but I'll keep my mouth shut if you will. Do not take my silence as acquiescense, or agreement. I came here to enjoy myself, not get in a verbal knockdown dragout with you or anyone else."

In almost all cases, that would stop the rants.

On one occasion however, at a large "show business" party, the "gun control" subject came up, although I wasn't the one who brought it up.

A very vociferous and extreme left wing actor began shouting at me that "One day, we're going to confiscate all those damned guns, and Leanwolf, that includes your's!"

I looked him in the eye and said, "Okay, so you'll be walking point leading your Gestapo gang when you come to confiscate my guns, huh??"

He stammered and then said, "You're just one of those crazy gun nuts!"

I said, "Well, if you won't walk point, you're just one of those typical liberal hypocritical cowards."

He turned and walked off. Even some of the liberals there laughed at him.

FWIW.

L.W.
 
Tonight I had to hang up on a relative. We were having a friendly call and he started up. I got him away from firearms and he went to the war and Republican party. He was swearing and cursing and wouldn't even allow that I was entitled to my opinion. "How about we agree to disagree?" So I finally said "I will talk to you later when you have cooled off have a nice evening, goodbye" Doubt he will want to talk to me anymore. (not the worst thing) He said I knew NOTHING and his sources told the truth. (but would not name them/tell me where he got his info. He just KNEW.
 
I love pointing out the elitist stereotype of gunowners being uneducated drunk rednecks.
I then (in my best hippy tone) state that people should be tolerant of other peoples view's, even if they dont always agree.
The reaction I get is is typically frustration...I refer to it as cognitive disonnance.;)
 
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