Hammer-fired vs striker-fired

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  1. 9mmepiphany

    9mmepiphany Moderator Staff Member

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    Maybe not many, but the ones that do exist are very nice...H&K P7, Kahr K and T model lines, Walther PPQ Q5 and Q4, SIG 320 AXG
     
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    Taurus calls the action on their G3s "Single action with re-strike capability." Basically, whenever you pull the trigger it is either going to move the striker rearward and release the sear or it is just going to release the sear on a striker that is already to the rear.

    It seems an awful lot like a DA trigger if you're dry firing in that, each time you pull the trigger the gun goes "click." The trigger does feel much different when firing it after the slide has been cycled.
     
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    Dont care...pull trigger...gun go bang....good!

    I have both, tho right now only one of mine is striker, and its got a cleaner crisper trigger than at least one of my SA/DA hammer guns.
     
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    Maybe not today but I have quite a few striker fired all steel framed and otherwise handguns. In fact I tend to carry striker fired single action all steel handguns quite often.

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    My Bernardelli that was made in 1952. It's a 32acp striker fired single action. The basic style is similar to the FN 1910.
     
  5. JR24

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    Interesting, I know my XD striker was fully tensioned, which was why the grip safety was included. I haven't read the mod 2 had any significant trigger changes, but am unsure.

    Perhaps there's an XD guru around here who can elaborate?
     
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  6. bannockburn

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    My own preference is for a hammer fired SAO like my 1911s or my CZ P07 with it's decocker swapped out for a manual thumb safety. Next would be a striker fired with a decent trigger as found on my Ruger SR9c and HK VP9. Last would be a hammer fired with a DA/SA trigger as in my CZ P01 or my SIG P229 with it's SRT (Short Reset Trigger).
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    Just remembered my Kahr CM9 which is striker fired but with an extremely smooth DAO trigger. Really great for CCW!
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  7. JR24

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    Excellent taste and I largely agree though I've been striving to be better with the DA/SA and have even taken to carrying one (HK45c, sometimes a Sig 228) of late, still a bit better with a SAO or striker but the gap is shrinking rapidly.

    I wonder how your P07 has been with the safety? I bought mine to carry cocked and locked but just found that safety too small (flush to frame) to reliably disengage every time with my normal 1911 grip. I don't suppose they've introduced any extended safety options in the past 4 years or so?
     
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    I used to own a XD-40. The USA trigger system they use does not feel like a single action 1911 but the trigger does not cock (tension) the striker it only releases it so in my mind it is single action.
     
  9. bannockburn

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    The thumb safety with the P07 has been okay but as you noticed it could definitely be a little larger and more ergonomic in it's overall configuration. I keep hoping for someone like Cajun Gun Works to make an "enhanced" thumb safety but haven't seen anything yet.
     
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  10. Rexster

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    I tend to favor hammer-fired handguns, but it is not an absolute. An annoying aspect of strker-fired autos is that the relatively more-protruding rear portion of the slide, necessary to contain the striker and its associated parts, has long been my concealment nemesis. I soon learned, in 1984/1985, when I started carrying, that it was easier for me to conceal a longer grip, than a more-protruding slide. The S&W Model 39, as modified by Armament Systems and Procedures, ASP, was an early example of how a hammer-fired auto-pistol can be streamlined, by bobbing the hammer, sculpting the contours of the slide and the grip tang, shortening the grip, and reducing the overall length. Eventually, S&W created the Model 3913, a smaller-dimentioned, spur-less hammer pistol, based upon their Model 39-series, not unlike the rare, custom ASP.

    Of course, the gun-writers of the early Nineties, who proclaimed that the 3913 was “as small as a PPK” were not nearly correct, but this was a early example of a truly compact DA/SA Nine, that remains relevant, though now no longer supported by S&W parts manufacturing, if something breaks or wears out.

    The compactness potential of a hammer-fired auto-pistol is also demonstrated by the Seecamp LWS series of pistols, with spur-less hammers that are flush with the rear of the nicely-streamlined frame. The slide would have to be notably longer, toward the rear, to contain a striker mechanism. This sloped, streamlined rear portion of the slide makes the Seecamp pistol more amenable to being smoothly and successfully drawn from a pocket, than would be the case with most striker-fired pistols.

    If deep concealment is not an issue, blocky Glocks are fine, with me. Not until Gen4 did Glocks fit me, but they are OK, now. If I am going to enter an extreme environment, which could cause submersion, or exposure to salty waves or spray, can be nice to have a pistol that better tolerate that, for longer periods. Parts normally do not require fitting by a ‘smith or armorer. So, Glocks can be very convenient. My accuracy with Glocks will never equal what I am able to do with a good 1911, or a Ruger GP100, or S&W K/L-Frame revolver. I often tell people that every training shot, that I fire with a Glock, makes me a better revolver shooter, so, the Glock will never catch-up. When I say that, I am not joking. I had to learn long-stroke DA, in the police academy, and I reckoned that if I wanted to survive, on the streets, with a then-mandated duty revolver, I needed to be both lucky, and good, so, I trained, diligently.

    If I had to pick a favorite, well, the 1911 has seniority, and I will never shoot a Glock as accurately as a 1911. I could shoot my SIG P229R DAK, as well as a 1911, until the SIG’s high bore axis, light alloy frame, and energetic .40 S&W cartridge combined to really vex my arthritis. The 1911 design has a low bore axis, is normally available as all-steel, with 5” barrels, and, though .45 ACP has considerable total recoil energy, its relatively low velocity means less-sudden acceleration, so the full-sized 1911 is “orthopedic,” for my aging hands. The 1911 design is decently flat, which aids concealment. I can detail-strip a 1911, without referring to an instruction manual, enabling me to remedy a dunking in nasty/salty water, in the field, if I had to do so. So, my favorite auto-pistol would be the hammer-fired, full-sized, all-steel, single-action-only 1911.

    I was really tempted to name the Seecamp LWS-32 as my favorite. It is a well-engineered little gem, and, the ones made in Milford were hand-built. I decided that a favorite should be something more versatile, and, also, let seniority be a factor. My first handgun, in late 1982 or early 1983, was a 1911.
     
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    +1On Seecamp Sold mine after hand surgery .To pain full to shoot .Same with KELTEC
     
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    I like the intrinsic safety of a long, relatively heavy pull of a double action trigger. And I like the added safety of being able to thumb the hammer when re-holstering. And the eunuchs I mean gunfighters I'm most impressed by - because of their Supreme confidence- are the jocks who appendix carry a cocked striker gun....
     
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    Don't forget Charlie Kelsey and his Devel offering of a cut-down, highly customized version of the S&W Model 39. Not long after this S&W came out with their own take on the downsized Model 59 with the Model 469.
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    Truth be told if pressed I do favor DA/SA guns. That said I do really like the ones that have a trigger, that shoot a caliber, when the trigger is pressed. :)
     
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    DA/SA is the best of both worlds. Fast to put into action and accuracy after the first shot. The Germans got it right with the P-38 and no one has improved on it IMO.
     
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    The best of both worlds DA/SA set up in any gun I've had my hands on is in the CZ82/83.

    It can be carried cocked and locked like a 1911 for SA carry. It can be carried hammer down for a first DA trigger pull. Plus, the frame mounted safety cannot go on safe if the hammer is down.

    I wonder how many other DA/SA pistols are set up like the CZ82/83? Seems like a gun that can accommodate all kinds of pistol shooters.
     
  17. JR24

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    HKs are close, but the safety can go on with the hammer down, which I actually find useful for administrative handling. Mine is in the correct position for me to swipe off as I get my firing grip anyway, so I am not concerned with it being on accidentally.

    Works for me with the HK45c, but did not work with the P30, safety was too far back with the shorter grip to fit my hand like a 1911 (which is what my muscle memory is good for).
     
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    The first thing that came to mind was the H&K system...USP, P30, and HK45
     
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    The FNX and possibly FNP(?) also were safety/decockers I think.
     
  20. UncleEd

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    Hammer fired vs. striker fired comes down
    to who owns them

    Folks who use hammer fired pistols are
    generous, patriotic, handsome or
    beautiful, have common sense and
    are much loved.

    Folks who use striker fired---no sense
    in being cruel so leave it at that.
     
  21. jimbo555

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    I prefer a consistent trigger all the time. So striker or Dao for me. Glock 19 my favorite
     
  22. 9mmepiphany

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    Some may notice some missing post. If yours is missing, know that I've edited them out.

    I don't mind a comment here or there as off-track commentary, but it doesn't need to go back and forth onto a second page. When it doesn't die a natural death, it begins to clog up the thread and interfere with the sharing of knowledge
     
  23. Mosin Bubba

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    Strikers are the best options from a technical perspective - same pull every time, pretty light, the moving parts are fully enclosed - but I hate how they mush. I can shoot a Glock pretty well, but I don't find it pleasant.

    I finger-cock DA/SAs to turn them into the SAs I want them to be :thumbup:
     
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    SA trigger pulls on nearly every DA/SA I've shot is pretty mushy compared to a real SAO, 1911 trigger.

    Some of the nicer CZs, especially those that have had additional work, are a clear exception.
     
  25. Blue Jays

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    I own both and I like both. Aside from my revolvers, most recent purchases are striker-fired.
    That said...I find holstering a striker-fired pistol unnerving every single time.
    It brings me blessed comfort to "ride" the hammer with my thumb to easily ensure safety.
     
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