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Handgun Identification Riddle

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by fistful, Mar 25, 2005.

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  1. fistful

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    A friend of mine (a hunter, reloader and developing into a true gun nut) asked me about a pistol that his son in Alaska had described to him. The following are the points used in the description.

    Inexpensive

    Russian

    Beretta

    Made in the 1950's

    fires 9mm ammunition

    Someone please tell me what he is talking about. A Russian 9mm similar to a Beretta? A Beretta copy made in the USSR or some Soviet Bloc country?

    So confused! :confused:
     
  2. only1asterisk

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    Maybe an Egyptian Helwan?

    David
     
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    Thats my guess too.
     
  5. fistful

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    No kidding.
     
  6. Zak Smith

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    It's probably just a Makarov. The Makarov PM/PMM was adopted in 1951. Its slide mounted decocker/safety looks like the decocker on a Beretta 92. It is chambered in 9x18 Mak.

    -z
     
  7. Archie

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    Mutually exclusive...

    No Berettas made in Russia. Nor am I aware of any contract sales. (Not that that is the law of the cosmos....)

    Egypt and Russia were awfully pally in the late 1950's - early 60's. The Helwan copy of the Beretta Brigadier fits the bill, sort of.

    Unless someone thinks the Makarov is a Beretta variant....
     
  8. max popenker

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    maybe Tokagypt 58 - a hungarian-made 9mm Tocarev clone, made on Egypt order, but latter replaced in Egypt by the Beretta M951

    However, about 2 years ago i received an image of an actual pistol, with slide engraved "Makarov Tokarev military 9mm"
    Guess what? It was a 9mm Tanfoglio (a.k.a. EAA Witness) with homemade funny engraving, made for unknown purposes.

    So - anything is possible ;)
     
  9. lwsimon

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    CZ-52?

    Doesn't QUITE fit, it IS:
    Inexpensive
    Made in 1952-54
    Fires 9mm - more commonly 7.62Tokarev, but some were made in 9x19

    It isn't:
    Russian(Czech)
    Beretta

    I'm putting my money on the Mak, due to the slide-mounted safety though.
     
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