Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by .38 Special, Aug 3, 2022.
I’ve had the Sentinel on the 43X longest, probably 4 years now. Still going strong after at least 3K rounds. Never adjusted it since initial zero.
If you are concerned with total ruggedness, order the aluminum shroud.
I would NOT say it’s as good as an RMR-C. But I’d put it up against a Holosun…not necessarily better but as good in my experience.
If you are a first responder or military they offer a great discount.
I just put a Leupold Delta Point Pro on a new Sig P320C X, but mainly because it is specifically cut for that optic footprint so I avoided buying the proper plate. Seems fine but I don’t like how you adjust brightness.
My first pistol red dot was a Vortex Venom. It now sits on my Ruger Mk3. I won’t carry one.
Battery life is a big deal to me. Shake awake is good feature to have. Auto brightness is also great.
Unfortunately, there are a few different “footprints” used, which sucks! But you can usually find a mounting plate that will allow you to use most optics on most guns. I prefer the optic mount directly to the slide but that’s not always possible.
All things being equal, I prefer the “RMR” footprint for standard and Shield/RMR-C for micro.
That said, I’m looking at a SA XDm 10MM and strongly considering an Aimpoint ACRO2 for it.
Some good info here:
Was not like the holosun HS503G carbine sights I was used to, so the difference took some getting used to.
But, now seems perfectly normal to co-witness on the irons (dot is right above the front sight).
It works for me. now that I do not expect the dot to be centered in the glass. So, it's like all my other, iron-sighted pistols in that regard.
Shake-awake is a handy feature.
Most shootings are close range, but not all. The Indy Mall shooting showed a scenario that required armed citizen to place hits on target at 40+ yards, which he did 8/10 times. We can argue all day about if he should or should not have gotten into that gunfight, but lots of folks are glad he did. I have no idea if he had an optic or not, but he has 22 year old eyes, and I have 60 year old eyes, and can tell you red dots on pistols are freaking awesome!
Beyond 5-7 yards, an optic on a pistol is a benefit, and the farther out the more impact it has.
If I have to be in a gunfight, I want all the advantage I can get. An optic is a clear advantage. If they weren’t, they wouldn’t be used in competition.
If my current EDC was cut for a red dot, it would wear one. It will be a criteria for my EDC's replacement.
Most holster makers offer this as an option now. And if he hasn’t bought the gun yet, he can order the holster optic ready.
Not at all.
I am very happy with all of the Swampfox optics I have. I own at least of each of their dot sights and no issues. I will say that I personally prefer the manual adjust Sentinel with shake to wake over the auto brightness version. The auto brightness version is useless in a dark room even with a weapon mounted light.
Need to know which gun you have or are looking to buy.
I run a Crimson Trace RAD Micro Pro on my M&P Shield Plus and a Trijicon RMR on my Beretta APX.
The Trijicon RMR is the gold standard. The CT RAD Micro Pro specs:
3 MOA dot
Ambient Light Sensor that automatically adjusts the aiming dot’s brightness to the surrounding lighting condition.
A sensor that detects movement of the firearm and automatically turns the reflex sight on. The sight powers off after 2 minutes of zero movement. (Shake Awake)
Has a rear sight notch cut into the back to line up with your front iron sight (co-witness).
Made of 7075 Series Aerospace Aluminum, it is 30% stronger than most industry standard sights made with 6061 Series Aluminum.
20,000 hours battery life
Most pistol red dots are an once or less in weight. I can't tell the difference in weight while carrying. They are also easily concealed. I never had a problem with printing or being able to conceal a red dot despite what @bangswitch claims. Plus finding a holster with a red dot cutout for popular handguns (Glocks, S&W, Sigs, Springfield, etc isn't that hard.
Agree, plus once you are used to the process optics allow you to stay target focused instead of needing to switch focus to your front site, an advantage since most of us would be staring at the threat anyway.
My colorblindness and astigmatism has gotten me to appreciate the Holosun circle and dot reticle over a single 3-6 MOA dot, easier for me to pick up the big honking circle. So I like the Holosun 507c or k on mine. I don’t find the 507k makes my 365xl any harder to conceal, it’s pretty small and light and works fine.
Shake awake is very good, battery life is good but I typically just replace all my batteries every year, I don’t like or use the auto adjustment for brightness because I’ve found a number of scenarios, usually dark with light behind me or with a flashlight, where the sensor doesn’t pick up the right lighting conditions and doesn’t brighten up the reticle enough, so I run mine pretty bright all the time and live with the annoyance in darker conditions.
How do you like the combination?
Does it co-witness? 1/3 co-witness?
I'm limited to 10 round mags here in CT and will likely need a grip extension/pinky rest to get a full grip.
How is the grip for you with a 10 round mag?
Thanks in advance,
I would have thought the same myself a few months ago, I was skeptical about a dot on a handgun.
On a couple of other gun forums I saw threads advocating red dots on handguns.
This person is fast, they said that they saw the dot, were using the dot in this drill:
I was concerned about speed with a dot inside 10 yards, that example resolved the speed question for me.
I decided to give the dot a try; I usually carried a Glock 17 or 34 already, the 34 was MOS so it got the dot.
Initially I was noticeably slower with the dot than fixed sights, which I read was typical for someone who has used fixed sights for decades.
I decided to be patient and give it several range sessions.
After a few subsequent trips to the range and about 600 rounds, my dot speed is close enough to fixed that I'm carrying the dot.
Whether I carried it or not, the dot cleaned up (tweaked) my draw; if I draw correctly the dot is visible, same applies to fixed sights being on target.
Specific to the dot, it is advantageous for accuracy as distance increases past 10 yards or more; at 25 yards, the dot is definitely advantageous.
Most SD may not occur past 7 yards, but across a church, store, parking lot, the potential is there and there is no denying the benefit of accuracy.
Also, I'm a bit nearsighted; my glasses fuzz front sights, but make the dot clear (which is a bit fuzzed without my glasses).
With fixed sights, I focus on the front sight (if I want to be accurate); with the dot more of my focus can be on the target, an advantage.
The holster I was already using for the 17/34 was compatible with a dot so I didn't need a different holster and its no harder to conceal AIWB.
I'm not trying to convince you to carry a dot but just explain why (for me), which is a question I was pondering myself a few months ago.
To be fair, that guy is one heck of a shooter. Makes a 365 look like a Shadow 2 in some of his videos.
Yeah, once I started considering a dot I just got in the habit of getting any new holster cut for an optic just in case, and it has paid off now that I’ve switched, doesn’t seem to be any disadvantage if you don’t use the dot except I think some places have a small up charge. Don’t thing Vedder does though.
It fully co-witnesses. You can line up the rear and front the same way you could if the optic wasn't installed. As for the grip, I added a Pearce Grip Extension to the 10 round mag. I carry the 10 rounder with the grip extension, and use the 13 round mag as a backup.
I do have suppressor height sights on one pistol that are easy to see.
I used to worry about co-witnessing, but as I’ve found red dot sights reliable, I don’t worry about it. If the sights don’t work and I need them in an emergency, I still can see the front sight fine, and I can make it work if needed.
Those who are skeptical keep making these same statements even though those who have lots of experience repeatedly debunk them.
Red dots do not really add much weight or bulk to the gun, and do NOT make concealment an issue. This has been stated already in this thread by those who actually carry these things, but others with little to no experience EDCing pistol optics keep repeating this...
Red dot optics have proven to be very reliable and battery life is extremely long. The battery life last for years, though most will change the battery once a year.
You can co-witness the red dot optic with your iron sights if you are worried about hitting the lottery, and your red dot that you trained with, used dozens of times, carried everyday, and has always proved be reliable suddenly stops working during the one in a few million chance that you had to use it in a gun fight. That is, if all the stars aligned and the battery went dead or the red dot that has always been reliable failed during a gun fight, you can resort to the irons as backup.
I see the dot immediately when I draw every time. I can also focus on the target instead of the front sight. I'm on target faster. I don't have to align sights, or keep the sights somewhat perfectly aligned. I just put the dot on the target, and pull the trigger. I am more accurate at longer distances.
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