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Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by jfanzen, Nov 19, 2007.

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  1. jfanzen

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    I went into a handgun shop today and they sold gun suppressors! I had no idea and its a football field away from my house. They said you buy the suppressor plus 200 dollar fee and paspport photos and time for all that to go through and you have your suppressor.
    Here is the question. I would need to get the barrel threaded for a suppressor right? i saw the hk guns with factory threaded barrel but it starts at 1000 and up. also the sig combat tb starts at 1200. I wanted to get a beretta cx4 handgun in 9mm... would a gunsmith here in town do that for me? how much does it cost to thread a barrel? What guns have adapters to them in 9mm or .45? thanks in advance fellas,, as you can see im clueless about the suppressor topic
     
  2. HisSoldier

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    I'm curious as to why you want it. I've thought about it too, probably in .22 so I can shoot target in the backyard without upsetting the neighbors, though I live out in the country. Then the next question is what kind of backstop to ensure nothing gets away downrange. I see handguns in GunBroker and GunsAmerica commonly with the barrel threaded already but that's not to say the can will fit the threads. Please report back on this as I find it fascinating. What kind of suppressor are you thinking of? Some require a liquid inside them to work well, as a coolant. Some have "wipes" that quickly wear out and must be replaced. Aluminum baffles can't take the heat of protracted firing they say. Are you going to use subsonic ammo? I saw a Thompson Center .22 with suppressor in Alaska once, now you may think I'm exaggerating but I'm not. The sound of the hammer hitting the firing pin, and the sound of the bullet hitting the water a few feet away, was much louder than the shot itself.
     
  3. jfanzen

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    hmmm well i did not know all of that. I dont want to have it to use in the backyard or anything like that i live in the city. I just want to have a gun with a suppressor on it. Im young.. and a suppressor looks awfully awesome! It would be great to have. I am going to have to research what is the best suppressor to get.. I would only go to the desert and shoot it.. and i made a mistake its not a cx4 its a px4 beretta. Anyone know of any silencers for that particular model gun?
     
  4. mikec

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    The $200 "fee" is actually a Federal Tax. Before you jump in, check to see what the state and local laws are.

    You can get replacement barrels for many guns that are threaded. Some calibers are better then others with a suppressor. The Walther P22 and the various Ruger .22 semi autos are two of the more common guns that people put suppressors on. You can suppress 9x19s and larger calibers but they generally aren't as quiet as a .22.
     
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    Most modern 9mm cans can be shot dry, though ALL suppressors benefit from a few cc of water in the blast baffle.

    Gemtech has a good explanation of suppressor legalities: http://www.gem-tech.com/legal.html
     
  6. Spyvie

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    Dumb question about suppressors... does the added weight on the end of the barrel affect the operation of a recoil operated locking breech pistol?

    Seems like it would
     
  7. George Hill

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    "I'm curious as to why you want it."

    Doesn't matter, now does it?
     
  8. Zak Smith

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    Tilt-barrel semi-auto pistols (BHP, Glock, etc) need a Nielsen device, which decouples the suppressor from the barrel motion with a spring, to operate with most suppressors.

    -z
     
  9. Mtdew

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    IF you really want a supressor let me suggest you get a 22RF supressor first. They are cheap (relatively) and very quiet. The cheapest host pistol will be a P22 since it allready had a threaded barrel (you still need an adaptor but they are only $30)

    I shoot my supressed 22rf hosts MUCH more than any other caliber. It's nice to shoot 500 rds supressed and only have spent $10

    22rf is the only round that will be even close to "hollywood" quiet. Silencers in real life do not sound anything like they do in the movies. A good 9mm silencer will sound like a slightly quieter than a nailgun/paintball gun

    If your dead set aganst 22RF then realistically you should only be looking at 9mm. Next to 22rf it's the easiest round to supress. Everyone that has never heard a supressed 45acp thinks it would be better ince it's inherently subsonic. However 45 is a very hard to supress round due to it's size, In fact there are NO (dry) hearing safe 45acp cans (yes im aware KAC averages safe but every shot is not)

    The Sig tactical, Beretta 92fs, Glock 17, and the HK USP SD are the most popular 9mm hosts.



    The prices you listed for the HK's and Sig's seem high.
    a G17 with a LWD barrel should only set you back $650
    The silencer + stamp will be close to $1000

    if you want a 22rf can look to
    Tactical Innovations
    AAC
    SWR
    YHM
    or Gemtech

    there are really only two choices for 9mm cans
    SWR Trident-9
    AAC EVO-9
    The HTG cycle-9 *seems* to be very good as well hovever it's not as versatile as the first two

    The rest of the 9mm cans range from just ok to downright horrible.

    If you really want one research them as much as possible first. Buy the best, not the best you can afford or the best the dealer has. There really is no re-sale value on used cans so you wil have it forever so BUY THE BEST.
     
  10. HisSoldier

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    "I'm curious as to why you want it."

    "Doesn't matter, now does it?"

    It does to me because I've been trying to justify buying one myself for a long time. I don't work for the government if that's the rub.

    Before the stupid law that restricted ownership of "silencers" they were used in urban areas for pest control, plinking etc. And that's my reason too, low sound impact in an urban area.
     
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    MtDew, wouldn't a .380 be a good choice to suppress? Especially if one reloaded. Of course, if one reloaded a 9 X 19 would be better because the choice of power over low signature would always be there.
     
  12. Mtdew

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    380 isn't bad, but 147grn 9mm works better (since it's heavier).

    also most people use full size handguns with availible threaded barrels.

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    That's very cool. But out of curiosity, what's the best gun/suppressor combination that combines compact size and decent firepower? The pictured ones are rather long, no? Is there anything in the western market that comes close to this http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg154-e.htm ?

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    Also I see Springfield has different slide lengths for the XD, could you put a 4" XD9 slide on with a 5" barrel, and attach a suppressor there? Or does it need a Neilson device?
     
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    I used to have access to a full auto Mac 11 in 380 with a factory suppressor. It was very quiet. The owner has since passed away and i have no idea where the gun is. This gun had a rubber wiper at the end of the suppressor that the bullets would actually touch. It wasn't very accurate. With the sun at your back you could see the rounds going through the air. They went everywhere but at the bullseye.

    I sort of lost my desire to have a silenced or full auto gun after shooting it. Shot an M-60 also. Don't want one of those either.
     
  15. Mtdew

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    The evo-9 on a G19 should be shorter than the 31cm (12.2") length of the one you posted.
     
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    One other alternative. If you have a long barreled 22 rifle or access to one that will handle 22 shorts like a Marlin bolt or a Marlin 39 lever action try some CB 22s from CCI. They are almost silent and will give the impression of a suppressed gun without the expense. Don't use the Aquila Colibri loads they will not always make it out of a rifle barrel.

    Here in texas it is not legal to hunt Squirrels with an air rifle. My father and i have both killed a ton of tree rats with CB 22s. A friend was going to show his brother in law how quiet they were and while walking to his place to shoot he fired a round into the ground. The BIL never noticed the gun going off. Thats pretty quiet.
     
  17. Mtdew

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    wipes were old supressor technology, they died in the 80's

    modern supressors have baffles that do not contact the bullet and can actually improve accuracy.
     
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    I thought that there must be something better. I wish i would have thought to remove the suppressor and shoot it it that way. Then i would have been able to check for accuracy. Oh well, it was a one time opportunity. The gun was fun to shoot except for loading that damn 30 round mag. It took 2 or 3 minutes to load and about a second and a half to unload.
     
  19. kingofwylietx

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    Suppressors certainly suppress the sound, but do not silence it. Most silencers will make a noise similar to an air rifle. It's not Hollywood silent, but it does allow you to shoot without disturbing the neighbors or needing ear muffs.
    Where I live, in Texas, you have the $200 tax stamp, the suppressor, host weapon, and before all of that....you need someone to sign off on it for you. Chief of police works in my city, but I believe you can use the county Sheriff or a local judge as well.
    That's just something else to consider, Good luck.
     
  20. John Caile SDI

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    Suppressors et al

    Basics on Suppressors:

    Legal in some states (around 17 at last count).

    Generally, the larger the caliber, the larger and more complex the suppressor that is required (there's a reason that assassins use .22s).

    Types: baffles (with or without "packing") are the most common - bullet never makes contact with inside of suppressor. In suppressors with "wipes" (may be rubber or felt) the bullet actually makes contact with them. The wipes are sometimes soaked in oil (more maintenance required). Then there are those that are a combination of the two.

    Quietest design? Probably baffle PLUS wipes design, but it also depends on the type of gun used. Closed breech guns that do NOT open on firing are quietest (note: many auto-loaders that use a Browning-style tilting barrel design that normally open on recoil will not open due to the weight of the suppressor; good for quietness, but requires manual racking of the slide after each shot. Straight blow-back designs like Sig or Walther 380's do not suffer from this). Note: a SUBSONIC round is virtually a requirement - forget the Stephen Seagal movies; if the bullet is faster than around 1090 fps there will be a sonic "crack" that defeats the purpose. Also, it is extremely difficult to design any suppressor that will work on revolvers - the flash gap will allow sufficient gas to escape to create a very loud report.

    Threading: varies, with 1/2 X 28 (1/2 inch by 28 threads-per-inch) by far the most common, for both barrels and suppressors. Obviously, they must match!

    Years ago, as a demonstration for some attorneys on the silliness of banning them, I once constructed a suppressor for a Ruger .22 pistol, for less than $6 in parts from a Home Depot and about an hours labor. It made less noise than a Daisy air rifle...

    Stay safe!
     
  21. Mtdew

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    actually many more than just 17

    AL, AR, AK, AZ, CO, CT, FL, GA, ID, IN, KY, LA, ME, MD, MS, MT, NE, NV, NH, NM, NC, ND, OH, OK, OR, PA, SC, SD, TN, TX, UT, VA, WA, WV, WI, and WY

    Thats what the nielson device was invented for. Supressors now work fine on browning actions

    for maxium supression yes, however the sonic crack just sounds like a unsupressed 22Rf. It's still very quiet compared to unsupressed fire.
     
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    John Caile,

    What did you use? I've heard of PVC pipe and have seen one made from an oil filter. Also saw one made from a large size lawn mower muffler. Of coarse the plastic coke bottle has been mentioned.
     
  23. HisSoldier

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    I've also read that sniping with a .50 BMG works much better with a suppressor than with a compensator, the comp makes a heck of a dust signature while the suppressor keeps it to a minimum. It's also said that even with supersonic rounds the suppressor makes sound location of the shooter much more difficult. The round makes it's own pressure wave that is linear, while the boom from the muzzle is from a fixed location.
    I find the subject interesting enough, but haven't started saving up for a suppressor yet.
     
  24. jfanzen

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    well say i buy a glock 17.. what would be the next step to get it fitted for a suppressor. besides buying the suppressor itself.. what modifications will i have to make to the gun and if anyone knows.. how much would it cost to the particular modification.. would i have to buy a new long barrel that is threaded? or could a gunsmith get the stock glock barrel and thread it for me?
     
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    50BMG recoil with a suppressor is crushing.
     
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