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Handgun vs. Coyote/Bobcat

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by raindog, Oct 8, 2019.

  1. TikkaShooter

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    I have to correct myself. GA DNR claims no mountain lions; however, the local Game Warden has seen them here. I don't know if GA DNR is still sticking to their story..

    My Pitt looks up too.. We get wasps and the cabin has vaulted ceilings.. She'll lookup to point out the wasp; then, when it comes down to flyswatter range wags (beats LOL) her tail. I grew up breeding and training bird dogs; next was Doberman and Rotts; for along time it has been Pitts.
    My Pitt is from bear hunting stock; a long legged blue and about 82#.. However, win or lose, I'd prefer killing a bobcat or mountain lion over a fight. I did some research and bobcat can pounce 12' and in a short distance charge, a mountain lion is +30 MPH.
    In a shotgun, I prefer an old 1100 with #4 buck and no duck plug; rifles are AK or AK. At the range it would be; even cylinder bore would not open up too much. At roughly 30', cylinder bore patterns at about 19".

    Speaking of bobcats:
    https://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/state/georgia/article213253584.html
    https://www.11alive.com/article/new...r-bare-hands-before-help-arrives/85-564665767
     
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  2. DDDWho

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    I live deep in the hill and hollers of the Missouri Ozarks. A coyote ran through my yard yesterday not 30 feet from where I sat on my front porch. Three days ago I heard a deer continually snorting in the woods behind my house. A bobcat came by on the other side of my garage I assume getting away from the snorting deer. I let most critters pass unmolested even tho I usually have a Mini 14 with varmint loads leaning on the railing in front of me. My quarry is armadillos who dig holes in my yard and ground hogs that chew the siding off of my out buildings.The other stuff like coyotes and bob cats are harmless to me so I let them go.
     
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  3. Nuclear

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    Basically anything more than a 22lr will take care of either a Coyote or a Bobcat. Bobcats don't really care about people, they are either shy or just don't care, unless they are rabid. Ditto for coyotes, but they will go after small dogs and cats.

    There are hybrid coyote/dogs I've seen that are much larger than a purebred coyote. Say 55-60 libs. But again, anything bigger than a 22lr will do.
     
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  4. WYO

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    I carry a 9mm loaded with Lehigh Xtreme Penetrators at the cabin. Here's a picture of the front door. :)

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  5. JERRY

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    the mountain lions found east of the Mississippi (save for extreme south Florida) are pets that have been turned or gotten loose. there are no confirmed breeding big cat couples, that's why their cubs are never seen east of the Mississippi. that doesn't mean to go around unarmed in the woods, but the lowly .38 spl from a snub would work on any of those critters.
     
  6. South Prairie Jim

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    That’s a fat house cat ;)

    Where’s the cabin located?
     
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  7. WYO

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    Medicine Bow National Forest in southern Wyoming. Have some good front door video of bears and moose, too, but they are off-topic.
     
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  8. barnetmill

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    There must be a lot escaped pets. If there are mountain lions on the loose, regardless of the source, if their sex organs function they will breed. In the southeast I could not find any examples of cubs in a quick google search. The original eastern cougar is considered extinct with maybe the exception of the florida subspecies. I say maybe because it now contains genes from other cougar-puma groups.
    So I have no proof of breeding. But wildlife organizations of many states claim that the adults are not even there so I am not sure what to say. So maybe their new creed is that they are all escaped pets and do not breed.
    Edit to add. What is happening is that cougars are moving from the west to the east.
     
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  9. 460Shooter

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    That’s not entirely correct. Hair samples combined with game camera pics and genetic tests have shown that lions making appearances in WI and as far east as Pennsylvania are wandering cats originating from the Black Hills of South Dakota. Populations hit high levels, and juveniles set out to find their fortune.

    You’re right about no breeding though. Not enough of them have gone east yet. But I wish them luck.

    Agree on the 38 Special too.
     
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  10. barnetmill

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    JERRY said:
    the mountain lions found east of the Mississippi (save for extreme south Florida) are pets that have been turned or gotten loose.
    There are old stories dating into 18th and possible early 19th century of cats that must have been jaguars showing up in the middle west. I do not have a reference on hand for it. But if cougars can wander so perhaps can jaguars.
    Here what wiki says:
     
  11. South Prairie Jim

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    In an effort to return to subject ‘ you could just carry a hiking stick. For coyotes & Bobs are heading the opposite direction as a rule, hell my tiny wife can shoo off a coyote with a porch broom. ( her words :D)

    Worst case scenario you have an excuse to buy another gun so it’s a win win for you............
     
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  12. barnetmill

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    I could use a good walking stick, perhaps one with a retractable spike. But for general work around the place it is a little bulky to carry. A holstered pistol remains with you all day if you put it one in the morning. While walking in the outdoors a stick is very handy. Good for over turning boards and probing into things without putting your hand in danger.
     
  13. TikkaShooter

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    Kind of looks similar to this:
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    I clipped the picture to remove my latitude and longitude. The Game Warden figures it was about 75-85 pounds. I showed him a picture of a paw print which he estimated to be 120 to 140 pounds.
    With us, it is where we live.

    As far as these: 37.JPG
    We catch them often on camera and even at night, the spots show up.

    This is my fishing buddy or so he says:

    fishing buddy.jpg
     
  14. South Prairie Jim

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    Yeah man
    He’s ready to go fishin for sure!
     
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    We are eternally grateful he/she didn't smell fish. Or my boat would have been in bad shape.
     
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    Ha! That's what I call "looking at the bright side of your not catching any fish.":D
    Just kidding around, TikkaShooter.:)
     
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    The wife and daughter and I are wrapping up a weekend in the Smokeys. I have never been so close to black bear.
    The condo we rented had a mama and 4 cubs roll up not 50 yards from our door. The condo we are staying in has a fall theme decoration. Stacks of hay with scarecrows and several types of pumpkin/Ford.

    The mama would come in each evening around 5 and bust a pumpkin open then walk off. The cubs would need to figure out that the humans put out good for them.

    It was a really cool photo opp to see nature in action.

    My wife asked the grounds keeper about them messing up the decoration. He simply said that they don't mind putting out more pumpkins/squash each night as a 300lb Daddy near roams through there after.

    We saw a few more cubs in the woods while we walked. I felt a lot better packing a .45.
     
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  18. TikkaShooter

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    That I knew, my friend.
     
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  20. South Prairie Jim

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    My lord
    That child is traumatized.
    We need a go fund me to replace that kyack
     
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    Although the bear spray didn't work I'm surprised the screeching didn't drive it off. It took all my willpower to make it thought that video
     
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    The bear needs a go fund me account. All the pain and suffering it endured listening to her!
     
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  23. barnetmill

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    Me thinks the lady doth protest too much. We need a gag for her and not a kayak.
     
  24. 98s1lightning

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    Yes on 9mm with 147gr JHP bullets for small/medium coyote or bobcat. Within reasonable range, I'm talking like under 30 feet, for the average handgun shooter. I would opt for neck or head shots, because if you miss, the critter is most likely going to flea from the noise anyway. I have personally shot a coyote in the neck at about 20 feet with 22LR stinger round and it DROPPED DRT which was very surprising. I wouldn't count on that every time, but it's a reference. I leave the 9 at home if I go NORTH where the coyotes are larger and run in more aggressive packs. But for coyote that aren't much larger than a Fox, 9mm all the way. Just be sure it's a heavy hollow point so the energy transfers to the animal.
     
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  25. South Prairie Jim

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    I felt terrible for her sake.
    Maybe Dad should have taken over!
    I know I would have
     
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