686 under the bolster pillow, M1 Super 90 in the closet. Both ready to go. I mean why not?
Handguns vs shotguns for (home) self-defense
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What if you were a bad guy and the guy with the shotgun already has a round in the chamber? Which will be the case if you come in my house uninvited. I guess there's always the click of a safety to hope for. But again, that won't happen here. Just be careful and a lot more sensible.
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People understand intel! I have a bunch of battery powered Ring Camera pods all around my house + yard. Everything is connected to my phone for alert + such. My community is also active with posting crimes + crazy zombies roaming the Seattle Hood
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Yes one can miss with a shotgun. At 15yds or less you’re looking at a fist size pattern with 00 buck. That is also a good reason to use a full stock on your shotgun; not just a pistol grip.
vanfunk
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Confession: I get nervous when people talk about killing anyone who walks into their house. Just last week, I drove to an “occasional” friend’s house for an afternoon party. It had been 1-2 years since I’d been there, and only at night. I drove to what I believed was the right house (no numbers on the mailbox, etc.) and parked in the long driveway behind a few other cars (think, party). I went to the front screen door with my brisket in a crock pot and saw what I thought was their Dalmatian mix excitedly greeting me. All seemed familiar enough that I was confident I was in the right place. I knocked loudly and got no response. I entered, put the crock pot on the counter, pet the dog, and started looking for the host. As soon as I saw the wedding picture on the wall, I knew I was in the wrong house. I backed out, grabbed my crock pot, got back in the car and drove to the nearly identical house next door. The right house. Stupid? Ok, maybe, I guess. Would an overly trigger-indulgent homeowner have been in their rights to shoot me in their kitchen, with my brisket? Yes, in this state. Would that have been the right thing to do?
Hugger-4641
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Quite a difference in someone walking in my door with a crock pot and someone breaking thru my door with a gun in hand. I think my brain can process that information quickly enough to react properly
Well, yeah, but I'd hate to use it in my home and join the tormented in their path to repentance as it fills the avsilable space with regret.
That said, I kept a large canister velcroed under the overhang of the kitchen island as a "spray and pray" area denial tool on the way to the closest available firearm.
You're correct in that you are responsible for the consequences of your decisions, BUT the problem posting is if anyone else that reads what you've posted thinks it is any form of sound advice. The forum has some obligation to make sure that the other members understand that your post is not consistent with legal or professional defensive lethal force recommendations.
Therefore, the advice not to post openly about intent to kill vs. stop an intruder should you ever find those words being used against you in a court of law and the advice not to advocate for killing vs. stopping an attacker as a mindset in lethal force defense.
There's nothing new about the intent to shoot to stop a threat to our lives or the life of another vs. kill. It has been a tenet of defensive use of lethal force since before THR opened...long before. Those of us who have taken courses and training on the defensive use of lethal force have all been taught these same basics and want to help others benefit from the time and money (and bruises) we invested in that training.
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Quite a difference in someone walking in my door with a crock pot and someone breaking thru my door with a gun in hand. I think my brain can process that information quickly enough to react properly
Well yeah, and I take your point but there are actually a few random drunkards, college kids, teenagers sneaking home after curfew or people just simply at the wrong location in the ground early behind exactly this sort of thing.
It should not be totally dismissed or laughed off...
None of us want to kill anyone, but we've discussed the pluses and minuses of where and what OC sprays are suitable in NonFirearms several times with those who have trained and used it. Good discussions there.
You're new to TN and Handguns isn't the ideal place for a discussion on lethal defense and distance under TN law so I recommend you pose that question in Legal, BUT as a life long TN resident who is trained on defensive lethal force use in TN, I'll assure you that unless they're shooting from outside your home at you inside your home you are not going to be treated like you have a justifiable use of deadly force. Castle doctrine doesn't protect you in the situation you're imagining. Take the question to Legal and find out what the experts there tell you.
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I have both that are ready to use for HD purposes
The survival or death of the attacker is not relevant to the legal use of self-defense. The goal is SOLELY preventive--to stop an innocent from being severely injured or killed. It has nothing at all to do with whether the attacker lives on after the attack is stopped or dies in the process of attacking. NOTHING at all.
We all should.
We need the mindset to act in the gravest extreme, but not the desire to.
The OP asks whether people prefer a handgun or shotgun for home defense. It does not ask about rifles, PDWs or crew served weapons. It does not ask about strategy, philosophy or restatements of the law.
If folks want to answer the OP with their choice of the two options, there may be some remaining life in this thread. Otherwise, perhaps best to move on.
Thank you.
If folks want to answer the OP with their choice of the two options, there may be some remaining life in this thread. Otherwise, perhaps best to move on.
Thank you.
Hugger-4641
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Don't know what gives you the impression that I'm new to TN. Been a lifelong resident for 53yrs and a permit holder for over 20yrs. I can assure you that if the scenario I mentioned happened and there were multiple armed men with weapons drawn heading thru my yard, I'm not worried about legality in that moment and I'm not going to wait and play quick draw to see who's faster, they will be treated as a deadly threat if they have weapons pointed in my direction. And in that scenario, I would rather have a shotgun than a pistol.
twofewscrews
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If your only concern is to stop the threat as quickly as possible, firing the minimum number of shots which in theory would minimize the chances of collateral damage, you want a shotgun.
If you are recoil adverse, if you need your non dominant hand to herd small children, you see yourself in a situation where you will be clearing your house (a bad idea imho), perhaps live in a house big enough that buckshot might spread out and hit innocent people, or have some kind of physical ailment or disability, handgun.
Personally I have both at the ready. I pray I never have to use either.
If you are recoil adverse, if you need your non dominant hand to herd small children, you see yourself in a situation where you will be clearing your house (a bad idea imho), perhaps live in a house big enough that buckshot might spread out and hit innocent people, or have some kind of physical ailment or disability, handgun.
Personally I have both at the ready. I pray I never have to use either.
bedside piece is a taurus 856 snubbie loaded with wadcutters. intuitive, one-handed, pretty much fail-safe, manual of arms. can easily and unobtrusively go throughout the house, day or night, fuss-free. local indoor shooting range allows it. k.i.s.s.
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