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Handi Rifle .500 S&W Mag recoil..

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by chute2thrill, Jul 31, 2008.

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  1. chute2thrill

    chute2thrill Member

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    I really want to get one of these.. I think the low price of the rifle would somewhat offset the outrageous price of the ammo, however I don't want to buy something that I won't be able to shoot... I can handle a 12 gauge just fine.. I don't really like slugs all too much tho.. But I absolutely love shooting my remmy 700 .30-06.. I could shoot it all day if I could afford it.. I'm only 5'6" 140lbs so I'm just wondering if i should get something that kicks a little less or just go for it??
     
  2. kingjoey

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    We make a .50 cal muzzlebrake :p

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  3. chute2thrill

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    How much would that actually reduce recoil?
     
  4. JShirley

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    On a .500 S&W? I think the muzzlebrake shown was designed for .50 BMG. It should reduce felt recoil to something like 7.62x39mm.
     
  5. kingjoey

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    Actually, that brake is specifically for smaller 50 cal rifles/carbines such as the Beowulf AR's and such. Although it looks huge in the picture it is only 1.50" wide and 3.00" long and only 1" thick. We're developing a 50BMG brake, this one borrowed some technology from that project for increased recoil reduction and improved efficiency. For better size reference, here's a pic of one being installed on an M4-size Beowulf upper.

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  6. chute2thrill

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    wow!! It would really take recoil down to 7.62x39mm levels? Now I am extremely interested.. The Handi rifle is only $250 brand new.. Money is burning a hole in my pocket as I type this..
     
  7. kingjoey

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    Not sure about the recoil reduction for a 500 S&W, but it works awesome on the 50 Beowulf. This brake is brand new (i.e. we haven't even announced it on the company website yet). As soon as we can procure a sizable amount of 50 Beowulf ammo (everyone seems to be out of it right now) we'll be able to get some more info and some demo video footage. Considering that the 500 S&W is a little less potent than the 50 Beowulf I would expect the recoil to be very manageable with the brake.
     
  8. chute2thrill

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    Thanks kingjoey.. i didn't know which was the more powerful cartridge... the only reason i'm so concerned is because i searched the forums and some people were saying the Handi rifle is extremely light and .500 s&w would be almost unmanagable for some people..
     
  9. kingjoey

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    It'll be a handful. I've shot them in 45/70 and they thump really hard.
     
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    Thats what I was worried about.. Like I said earlier I'm not really a fan of shooting 12 gauge slugs but I do love what they do to frozen milk jugs... I just might have to look into a muzzle brake!!
     
  11. PTK

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    The NEF HandiRifle in .500 S&W mag H-U-R-T-S. I ended up having to handload much lighter loads to be able to shoot it, as factory MagTech loads destroyed two sets of sights!

    To put it mildly, recoil is VERY brisk.
     
  12. chute2thrill

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    awww now I'm scared away again...
     
  13. PTK

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    Don't worry, it's an absolute blast to shoot. Best $250 I've ever spent on a single gun.
     
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    A while back I made up an Excel spreadsheet that would automatically calculate muzzle energy and a relative recoil for whatever caliber you plug in to it.

    .500 S&W Mag, 440gr bullet @ 1625fps: relative recoil # is "715"
    12gauge, 1-3/8oz turkey load @ 1500fps: relative recoil # is "903"
    12gauge, 1oz slug @ 1500fps: relative recoil # is "657"

    (relative recoil number is Mass(gr) x Velocity(fps) / 1000)

    So .500 Smith has a "middle of the road" recoil comapred to a shotgun. I've held that Handi-Rifle..it isn't light. I don't think the recoil would be all that horrible. Put a Pachmyr pad on it and call it a day.
     
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    I have one of the HandiRifles in 500 S&W. It is LESS THAN SIX POUNDS.

    I tried all sorts of recoil pads, and the sights broke, TWICE, from recoil.
     
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    Hmmm, sounds like a project here :p Maybe we need to pick up a HandiRifle for T&E, I was joking about the brake initially but there might be some real need there :scrutiny:
     
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    I grew up shooting a H&R Topper, Jr. in 20 gauge. Kicked like a mule- I was afraid to fire a 12 ga 870. Then I found recoil was much less! :D

    The Handi-Rifles have traditionally been bargains. Hopefully, they'll remain so, but inflation...
     
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    From someone whose ACTUALLY fired both there is absolutely NO comparison between the recoil for a 12 topper and a 500mag handi. For christs sake you're lighting off over 40grs of H110 at 300wm pressure levels. This makes any 12 ga shell feel like 22 hornet by comparison. It's blatantly unsafe to even attempt to fire a 500 handi with a traditional rifle scope on it I had to fab up a scout scope mount.
     
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    While I don't have a handi in 500S&W I do shoot a non ported pistol in 500S&W and the recoil to me is not bad at all. I enjoy shooting it quite a bit with full factory loads.

    Having a handi in 44 rem mag and seeing the quality of the rifle, I suspect the site problem is due to the rifle quality, not so much the recoil.

    Had the same problem with a Puma in 454 Casull. Round wasn't that bad in recoil, but it tore up that crappy rifle.
     
  20. kingjoey

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    The big difference is that you are also getting more velocity (and recoil) due to the longer barrel. I'd rather shoot a 500 S&W pistol than rifle
     
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    Try shooting it in a handgun ya' pansy! :D
     
  22. chute2thrill

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    Well I think I'm gonna go with something a little smaller than the .500 S&W... What would be a larger caliber (over .30) that you would recommend for the Handi rifle...
     
  23. kingjoey

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    The 45.70 isn't too bad. I am really thinking about the whole .500 S&W thing now, during all the product development we never even considered the KA-0450 being used on a single-shot. I guess we get tunnel vision sometimes :banghead: That'd be a cool, inexpensive demo gun too
     
  24. chute2thrill

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    yes it would!!
     
  25. OAKVILLE SHOOTER

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    I am confused here. In a handgun, a longer barrel does give you more velocity, but usually, less felt recoil. Ex. a 2" 357 mag has a lot more recoil than a 4", which has more than a 6", etc with the same load.

    Part of this may be due to the increased weight of the gun. If it is the extra weight, then maybe I see your point. PTK said that his Handi Rifle weighs less than 6 pounds. That is less than the 8 3/8" Model 500, and does not have the factory porting.

    If the extra weight is not the contributing factor, then I think that the longer barrel of the rifle should dampen the recoil better than a handgun.
     
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