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Discussion in 'Hunting' started by red rick, Jan 3, 2020.

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  1. red rick

    red rick Member

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    I missed a nice buck in my backyard today because I had a hang fire with my muzzleloader . I was using Blackhorn 209 , never again . Tomorrow is the last day of deer season .
     
  2. courtgreene

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    It happens. I use pyrodex and it hasn’t happened, but I’m fully aware that with muzzle loaders it could happen any time.
    I sort of expect it to happen sooner or later because I don’t replace my powder each season. Next year will be fourth year with what’s on hand.
     
  3. red rick

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    I am throwing all of my powder away and I am going to use T7 next year . I have never had a hang fire using it , but I have with Blackhorn .
     
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  4. troy fairweather

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    I've Hurd a lot of bad things about bh209 I use pyrodex to and never a problem.
     
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    Just curious what rifle was it in.
     
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    Were you using 209 primers?
     
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  7. red rick

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    Yes , CCI 209 magnum primers .
     
  8. Bfh_auto

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    I feel the same way about BH209. 777 gives very reliable ignition for me. Blackpowder is even better, but velocity suffers slightly.
     
  9. Flintknapper

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    209 primers, triple 7 pellets, never had a misfire.
     
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  10. Axis II

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    Using the BH209 breech plug? That causes hang fires. Me and a buddy use it exclusively for year and no issues with federal and cci mag primers.
     
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  11. Patocazador

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    I've been using BH209 in my sidelock with a nipple conversion for over 10 years and have never had a hang fire. I have had them with Pyrodex which I refuse to use now.
     
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  12. red rick

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    Yeah , I will not use Blackhorn 209 again in this muzzleloader for the same reason .
     
  13. stillquietvoice

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    It's been a long time since I had it but the manufacturer of my kentucky glint lock recommend a 5 gr charge of 3f black powder if you were going to use pyrodex for more consistent ignition.
    I stopped using no substitutes, I found that they caused corrosion faster than real black powder.
     
  14. earlthegoat2

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    This has been my experience also. The substitutes only exist because the supply chain for them is easier since they are not classified as explosives like black powder is. 209 ignition systems more or less came about because of the finicky ignition of the substitutes especially in pelletized form. There are perhaps no real performance advantages to any of the subs and really only logistical advantages
     
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  15. Axis II

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    Sitting here now with bh209 and 300gr xtp in a CVA optima stainless thumbhole. Shot 11 rounds last night and no mishaps. This gun does shoot 10” groups with 777 though
     
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    10" groups, is that a typo? If not, something is wrong, I have two CVA Wolfs that shoot much much better than that.
     
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  17. red rick

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    I wish one of y’all that like bh209 lived close because you could have mine .
     
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  18. Axis II

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    It shoots terrible with the 777 pellets and 44cal bullets. I tried 777 mag pellets that equal 120gr and it shot about 5'' groups. Tried 45cal bullets and it shot about 2-3'' groups and then BH 209 touches when I am having a good day. Saturday’s range session at 100yards. First 3 then walked it over. The bullseye was actually shot by my girlfriend who has never shot a muzzleloader before. I hate to say it but my ex buddies wolf shoots better than my Optima with 777 pellets. I spent alot of money on bullets trying to get it to shoot before buying the BH209 plug and 45cal bullets.
     

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  19. Bfh_auto

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    I've never had good luck with pellets. It's probably because I grew up shooting black powder. Loose 777 ffg gave me the same results as real ffg but uses about 10% less.
     
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  20. Flintknapper

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    Pellets can give good accuracy, but each rifle is different and time spent finding what propellant and bullet combination gives the best accuracy in YOUR rifle is time well spent.

    The last time I checked the zero before going hunting for the muzzle loading season:

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    CVA MLa.jpg
     
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  21. Bfh_auto

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    I'm paranoid about making sure there is no air space. I probably fracture the pellets.
     
  22. Flintknapper

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    Just push the bullet down with firm pressure until it stops, don't tamp it. If using the same bullet and charge (pellets) you can mark your ram-rod to double check that the bullet is fully seated.
     
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