Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by Smaug, Sep 26, 2022.
No not really. Poly coated bullets are the hardcast bullets with the poly coating. Plated bullets a soft lead, not real accurate. Sure they are OK, but for mag calibers you can not crimp them hard nor shoot really fast. They cost more than coated (at least they used to) I haven't bought bullets for a while.
Powder coat and poly coat are different.
Heck I still have regular lube cast bullets and can't wait to get rid of them (dirty mess) and have all poly coated,
You can mail them to me.
The Poll is handgun bullets ... my vote is cast bullets but not necessarily Hardcast .
A bhn of 8 is what my handgun alloy is rated ... that isn't very hard but mine fit and I use a good bullet lube .
Something else ... Hardness is way over rated , fit beats out hardness every time .
A small hard , undersized , bullet will lead the Bejeezus out of your rifle's barrel .
While a properly sized , softer bullet , that fits the bore properly , with a halfway decent bullet lube will leave no leading .
The rules for rifles and handguns differ some but one thing they both require is a proper fit .
You won't know what that is if you don't slug and measure your rifle's bore .
I did take a box of 500 45 acp and melted the lube off, cleaned with solvent and then powder coated them. I may have to get inspired and do some more, But then I would need to buy more sizing dies for the 38, 40, 44, 9mm. That was the only part I didn't like, Then I would have those dies and no more use for them
It's been so darn hot I have not been shooting much (get rid of them)
Of the two, coated are my first pick and plated my second. I like the bullet shape/style options coating offers, and I have cut plating with too little flare as well as with too much of a roll crimp.
Plated bullets generally have a velocity cap imposed by the manufacturer. Exceeding the maximum can cause issues with your gun
Driving cast bullets too fast cause leading. Bullet diameter, lead alloy and lead hardness in the correct levels will minimize leading at higher velocities. This is somewhat gun specific and the combination may not work for low leading in a different hand gun.
Powder coating or some other magic coating material may allow the reloader tondrive cast bullets to higher velocities. While I have dabbled in coated bullets, I have not tried to find the velocity limit with those bullets. Ditto with using a gas check.
It can be done, running cast bullets at magnum velocities. It just takes a lot of work to find the right combination.
I use cast bullets for low pressure/velocitiy loads, like 45 Colt or 44 Special or plinking ammunition for Magnum guns. For Magnum loads in cartridriges like 357 Magnum or 44 Magnum I use jacketed bullets.
I’ll admit to being too lazy to develop a cast bullet that will work at magnum velocities without leading in my guns.
Same here. I’ve had shooters next to me stop shooting a couple of times due to the fog rolling in from my shots. After that, I relegated my remaining lead/lube bullets to outdoor use and went exclusively coated/plated indoors.
You can still mail them to me. Do it on a day the post office has the A/C turned on.
I've gone the other way. I found 2 of my rifles prefer lubed cast too coated. But I shoot outdoors and have only been running 200 rounds per month. This year has been too busy.
As far as straight cast? I'm done with that completely. There is no reason in my mind to shoot straight cast any more at all unless you're casting yourself and you're doing it for the love of the process and product you produce, I respect that as an "art". But for a bulk shooter, every day shooting, hunting, whatever........coated cast has sooooo many benefits over straight cast, and you can't split the coating with a heavy crimp ala plated. Plus, anybody who's ever had to ungunk bullet lube out of a MBF likely has a special hate for lubed bullets.
I have not done any testing myself but I was watching the entire series where fortunecookie45 lc did direct comparisons. Across several calibers and guns they are even. Some guns prefer one over another but that is equally true with different jacketed bullets. I would have to see further testing to justify your position.
I came to the same conclusion when loading 9mm. I would rather have a real jacketed rmr bullet for the same price or cheaper than any plated bullet.
The cast and coated bullets are ahead in accuracy over plated bullets IME. Jacketed are more accurate than C&C bullets but the margin is small in my guns to the point that only in my best days can I tell a difference.
I doubt I’ll use plated bullets again unless the price comes down or I stumble upon a load by luck that shoots really well.
Well, and also less cleaning due to your first point.
Correct; I was thinking about handgun bullets.
The Lyman manual has cast bullet data and even says when to use gas checks. The typical rifle cartridges with cast bullet data are the bigger bore, slower ones.
I'm having a hell of a time getting clean patches to come out of my barrels. I think it's from burnt bullet lube.
The barrels LOOK clean, but the patches with solvent keep coming out dirty...
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