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Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Pure2nd, Dec 28, 2018.

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  1. Kano383

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    Would you unholster a 1911 in a crowded room, flick off the safety, and show the gun around?

    Would you unholster a decocked CZ75 DA/SA, cock it and show it around?

    My guess is that you’d answer “No” to both, and probably mutter some words questioning the fullness of my reasoning capabilities.

    A safety-less handgun is safe in a proper holster. Only. Period. The moment you take it out of that holster, you may as well fool around with a cocked and unlocked SA or DA/SA handgun.

    Too many people fail to realize that the holster is an integral part of the typical striker-fired gun system: the holster IS the safety. I partially blame the “Safe Action” marketing gimmick of a well-known brand for that.
     
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  2. redneck2

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    I’m 68. Been shooting for over 60 years. Nothing, and I mean nothing about firearms makes me more apprehensive than removing a pistol from the holster. I actually stop momentarily and take a second thought as to what I’m doing. Familiarity breeds contempt and all that.

    I worked part time at the LGS. We would have guys come in and pull their loaded pistol out to show us something. Freaked everybody there out. We’ve seen the way some guys handled firearms. It was far more common to see someone handing a gun with their finger on trigger rather than not.

    I had a store regular that came into the main shop from the range. Had a round jammed in the chamber of his 9mm. He was pointing the gun directly at my chest as he was trying to rack the slide, his finger in the trigger guard.

    A holstered pistol will never go off by itself
     
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  3. DT Guy

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    I'm just asking for clarity, since your post makes it hard to be sure; would you do those things with a firearm that HAD a safety?


    Larry
     
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    Gonna do you a lot of good out in the woods, or in the 90% of the geographical USA where cellular coverage is more theoretical than actual, and someplace with a land line can be a long way away.
     
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    Handguns are tools not toys. They should be practiced with at range and holstered when carried or stored in a safe otherwise. Pulling loaded gun in room full of people for no good reason is not a smart thing to do.
     
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  7. Kano383

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    My point is that the moment you pull a striker-fired handgun out of its holster, that’s the same as flicking the safety off a SA pistol, no matter where you are.

    Unholstering any gun in public for no good reason is buying yourself a few tickets for the “Oooh... Crap!!!” lottery, as redneck2 mentioned higher up. Taking the safety off gets you a full booklet of tickets...
     
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  8. JohnKSa

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    Echoing what's already been said.

    Carry guns are not for show and tell.

    We all preach gun safety and claim to live by the rules, but pulling a carry gun out of a holster for anything other than self-defense or for practice at a range makes a shambles of the gun safety rules.

    There is rarely a truly safe direction in a typical living area or public space and so the safe direction rule is almost inevitably violated.

    Carry guns are loaded and loaded guns should not be used for informal demonstrations except on a hot range.

    Leave your carry guns holstered. It's an extremely good way to virtually eliminate the possibility of having an unintentional discharge with your carry gun.
     
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    This has all changed since my original first aid training as well, but my understanding now matches this. For essentially all non-wilderness civilian applications, a tourniquet is good now.
     
  10. Pure2nd

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    I'm not sure what your point is but I can assure you this isn't something to be "brushed off ". If I and my family would have brushed this off, none of us would be discussing this in this public forum.

    To make clear for those of you who don't understand context, my continued reference to "smartest guy in the room" revolves around the simple fact that none of us are infallible, and accidents happen.

    Harvest as your priorities desire, and please start your own thread about your firearms superiority but I posted this to be constructive and this is certainly not what your intentions are.

    I hope and pray that none of you will have to experience an ad requiring medical attention. Bang away at me and my family all you want, but please go buy a decent 1st aid kit if you actually own and practice with firearms.

    Mods feel free to close this thread as its usefulness has clearly devolved.
     
  11. Pure2nd

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    This is what's called constructive.
     
  12. Pure2nd

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    Did you just call me a woman?
     
  13. rust collector
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    Yes, but a very fine woman! No, my point was that we can't fix everyone or everything, but we can listen and learn, and that's important too!
     
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    Thanks for the link!
     
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    I don’t doubt that you were trying to be constructive, and I have made no sort of assertion as to my firearms superiority. The impression I get is that you learned a valuable lesson about trauma care you wanted to share, and that’s a good thing.

    The thing I didn’t read in your post was a determination for future prevention as well as treatment. Again, I apologize if I am wrong.
     
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    Thanks for sharing the details Pure2nd. Again I'm glad you and the family were able to respond quickly. A very valuable experience indeed to remind us all of being diligent. Especially those who like to fondle their carry guns. I no longer carry striker guns due to trigger weight. Revolver or DA/SA for me. Long DA makes it less likely to have an AD.

    How is your son BTW? How long/what type of recovery is expected? If you don't mind me asking. Prayers for complete healing.
     
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    Am very glad he seems to have a good recovery ahead.

    My conclusion is that in many Other families -especially among women who don't carry- people would have requested (or demanded) that people in the family no longer carry.
     
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    We can stop here.
     
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