Has anyone read the Taurus Warnings?

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CajunBass, it has to do with the nature of the mechanisms. Firearms have to be positively cocked in order to fire at all; it takes a certain amount of effort to get the gun into firing condition. It's not something that can happen by gravity, or by jiggling the gun around, or by something breaking inside the gun. Some positive effort has to get the gun into firing condition. The springs have to be mechanically compressed, or the hammer has to be pulled back.

In the case of a firearm which has already been cocked & then locked, the lock might fail, but the gun still requires pressure on the trigger in order to fire because modern firearms have firing pin blocks which prevent the gun from firing if the trigger is not first compressed. There is simply no mechanical way for any gun to fire without the gun first being cocked, and if the gun is cocked, it still won't go off without at least two other parts breaking, the lock and the firing pin block.

Incidentally, the firing pin block on most models cannot really break by moving out of the way. On most guns, the firing pin block must be mechanically moved out of the way before the gun can fire. So if the firing pin block breaks, it's going to break by being locked into place (preventing the gun from firing at all), because the block is always in place unless some mechanical action moves it.

An integral lock, on the other hand, is only one part. It's the only thing that has to fail in order to prevent the gun from working. And it can fail without really "breaking," simply by jiggling into place. Every company has a slightly different design for these locks, but -- for example, and to keep on topic for this thread -- the Taurus lock is a C-shaped piece that catches an opening along the slide rails when the C is swiveled around. In place, it keeps the slide from moving. It doesn't take much imagination to picture that getting jiggled into place and locking the slide accidentally, if the mechanism has loosened up in some way.

pax
 
Internal locks

Thanks for the explanation Pax. I'm no expert by any means so I bow to those of you who know more than I do, but to me the lock is just a big non issue. The one's I've got experience with are on a couple of Taurus revolvers, and a Bersa 22 semi, and they've simply been unlocked and left unlocked. I just don't see why they're any more likely to fail than any other single piece of the weapon. (I do know about gremlins though.)

Thanks again.
 
Integral locking systems are just one more additional mechanical device INTENDED and BUILT-IN to actually CAUSE a gun NOT TO FIRE. Forget it

Honey, you definately AIN'T gonna like whats coming down the pike for you.
Yes, even your damn Sig will have this stuff. Within 10 years.
Read it and weep, take it to the bank.

Bainx told you so and that's a fact
 
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WARNING:
Securing your firearm may inhibit access to it in a defense situation and
result in injury or death.
WARNING:
Failure to properly secure a firearm may result in injury or death.


They warned them either way, Although the 1st warning people are not very likely to sue.
Guy
 
When I bought mine, I got a free membership to NRA and a free full cap magazine after the ban left.
As far as I'm concerned, Taurus has proven to be pro-second.

But Wait, did you get a HAT?
NO HAT, NO PURCHASE as far as I am concerned ---- :neener:


:evil:
 
Hey, don't laugh too loudly, or make too much fun of these disclaimers/warnings.

If certain interests had their way, there would also be a warning that OWNING THIS FIREARM MAY RESULT IN SERIOUS INJURY OR DEATH ... ;)

Wait a while ... :uhoh:
 
the Taurus lock is a C-shaped piece that catches an opening along the slide rails when the C is swiveled around. In place, it keeps the slide from moving.

I don't know about other models but on my PT945 the lock prevents the main spring from cocking.
 
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I'm a new shooter and bought my Taurus PT145 Mil Pro 3rd-gen new in January. I chose the Taurus because of the price, ala affordable to me. I love this little gun with a .45 punch.

Taurus have a hex-keyed "Security System" safety lock on their weapons. One day, around the 400-round point, I dis-assembled it for cleaning and lubing, which I had done previously. I placed the slide on the frame (without the barrel and spring) to work the slide lube, and got the slide locked. Would not budge. A common issue with Mil Pro's as I later found out at the TaurusArmed site.

Off to the local smith. The first thing he did was use the hex-key to check the safety lock. No joy. He then went deeper with a screwdriver and mallet. Got the slide unlocked.

Straight to the range to do some shooting. After the 3rd round, no fire. No fire after after dis-assembly and re-assembly.

Came home and inspected closer. On a whim, I used the hex-key to check the safety lock. There is a distinct engage feeling when rotated to the "On" and "Off" position. It takes a little extra effort to rotate out of each postion.

Turns out that the safety lock was between "On" and "Off." This affected the cam for the firing pin lock (yet another safety feature). "Affected" as in broke it.

Utilizing the Life Time Warranty, I sent it to Taurus Int'l in FL. for repair along with a brief explanation of my suspected cause.

Two months later, I was back in action. And have had no problems with 300 rounds since then.

A note about two months for repair: It took about a month for the smith in FL. to get to my gun. This is what I expected from posts on the TaurusArmed site. He ordered the replacement part, which had to come from the factory in Brazil. I suspect shipments are made once a month to FL., which accounts for the 2nd month. Once the part arrived, within days my gun was repaired and FedEx'd back to me. All, completely free of charge.

Moral of the story...... Glue that darn hex-key safety lock to the "Off" position.
 
Hmmm, I have the Taurus .38 revolver... I had to look to page 9 to find that warning, but it was even better...

Warning:
Securing your firearm may inhibit access to it in a defense situation and result in injury or death.
Warning:
To prevent injury or death, it is imperative that you must keept your gun unloaded, uncocked, and securely locked, with ammunition in a separate location. In addition, take any other reasonable steps to limit the possibility of theft, accident, or suicide.
Emphasis Mine.

Well, that's good to know. Here all along I've been keeping the gun unloaded and locked, with the ammo locked separately, but I've been keeping it cocked, you know, just to speed things up if I ever need to use it. :rolleyes:
 
Just courious...can those locks be removed with out damage to the gun?

May not matter. I had to remove the magazine safety on my Hi Power because I couldn't find a gunsmith to do it for me. None of them would take on the liability.
 
It also helps to read the owner manual first for any number of pistol problems.

That seems to be the reason for many of the so called Taurus pistol problems.

Not following directions, improper disassembly, dryfiring when not supposed to do that, improper reassembly, and being brand new to that firearm as well as being new to shooting. Any of those or a combo of the aformentioned problems create un-neccessary troubles or self inflicted ones.
 
Hey, at least Taurus doesn't print their warnings on the barrel, like Ruger. I'll take 200 pages of warnings in a throw away manual to a single etching on my gun.
 
Can we get a sticky at the top of the forum explaining to the new guys that they are allowed to start new threads?
 
jerkface11 Can we get a sticky at the top of the forum explaining to the new guys that they are allowed to start new threads?

Agreed- its a balancing act between necro-threads and the inevitable replies that scream "you should have used the search function!"

Bob
 
Zombie thread wants BRAAAIIINNNSSS!
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I have never understood the logic behind internal locks.
As I've pointed out before, if I want to disable a firearm, I disassemble it. Pistols get the slide and barrel removed, rifles get the bolt pulled, and revolvers can simply have a padlock on to prevent the cylinder from being put into place (assuming the cylinder isn't conveniently removable).
Why add parts to a gun to disable it when you can subtract parts from the gun when YOU want it disabled?

Is it OK to slip a locked Taurus (or any other brand) into a child's Halloween costume holster with a round in the pipe? Can I just leave my firearms laying around loaded, so long as I turn the key? Can I play "Cowboys and Indians" with a loaded & internally locked revolver?Of course not, those would all be idiotic things to do, and anyone doing any deserves a visit from Saint Darwin ASAP.
 
Oxymoron situations

Every morning when I go to work I see a sign that says no firearms, ammunition, or knives allowed. Now let's see... I am entering an arsenal... No firearms allowed... But it's an arsenal...
 
Yeah, it reads funny the first time.. obviously written in a way that would never be written in any other country.
However, it can still be interpreted as having a difference between "securing your firearm", and "properly secure a firearm".., even if one means nothing more than knowing where it is, that it is readily available, and that it is out of the reach of the irresponsible.
The safety warnings on the side of my Intex baby float (inflatable pool floater for a baby) are five times as long in English than they are in any of the other eight languages also included, even though those other languages have longer words and more complicated verbiage. Some just say the equivalent of ""stay near baby at all times in and around the water." Just another example of what personal-injury lawyers have brought us to..
 
I too will pipe up in favor of Taurus revolvers. I LOVE my .357 Taurus Tracker, 7 shot, ported barrel. I don't care for the integral lock, but I am happy that it is there since it allows people in California to own them. My next revolver purchase will likely be a Taurus Judge.
 
Just courious...can those locks be removed with out damage to the gun?
Mark.
I have a PT 24/7, I love it, The lock is a very small keyhole on the side of the gun and most wouldn't ever know what is was if you didn't tell them. There's no way to tell if its locked when you're just looking at it, you have to have it in yourt hand to be able to tell. I really like it, its a very nice semi-auto and I'm sure I'll buy another Taurus at some point!
 
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