Has anyone seen a DoubleTap Defense (derringer) ?

[C0untZer0]

I know they're not semi-autos, but they're not revolvers either and since they shoot 45 ACP and 9mm I thought I'd ask the question in this forum.

They were suppossed to ship right about now - according to the press releases at the shot show. They said in January they were already back-ordered by 30,000 pistols.

 

[Kiln]

Didn't the distributer drop these guns? I could be wrong but I think it was this gun that was set to ship and then some kind of problem cropped up between the manufacturer and distributer.

Either way I just don't see a point to these derringers. They're the size of your average compact 9mm these days but the DoubleTap only holds two shots.

 

[C0untZer0]

They did run into a problem with Heizer, they dropped them as a manufacturer and partnered with Azimuth.

http://doubletapdefensellc.com/


The gun underwent some minor design changes, the trigger was simplified, it went from something like 14 moving parts to just 4 IIRC, it now uses a needle bearing instead of a ball bearing, and some oher changes. The new model has sights and grip texture was changed slightly...

The DoubleTap is a little bit shorter than a Rohrbaugh R9 from top to bottom but a little bit longer from front to back. The Titatnium model is slightly heavier empty and the Aluminum model is 1.5 ounces lighter empty.

Of course the Rourbaugh is going to put on some weight when you load it with 7 rounds, the DoubleTap less so with 2 loaded/ 2 stored.

Rohrbaugh R9
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 2.9 in
Length: 5.2 in
Height: 3.7 in (really 4" from top of the rear sights to bottom of heel mag release)
Weight: 13.5 oz
Capacity: 6+1 Rounds

DoubleTap Defense - DoubleTap
Caliber: 45 ACP or 9mm
Barrel: 3.0 in
Length: 5.5 in
Height: 3.9 in
Weight: 14.0 oz empty for Titanium
Weight: 12.0 oz empty for Aluminum
Capacity: 2 Rounds




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[C0untZer0]

When you look at the size of it and compare it to pocket nines - it is about the size of the R9 / Boberg / Kahr PM9, but when you compare it to compact 45s - it's a lot smaller and way more reliable than the smallest compact 45 guns.

From what I've read, the designer Ray Kohout had in mind a small 45 derringer when he created it and the 9mm is an afterthought.

According to the SHOTshow videos there will be other calber barrels introduced. So for an extra 200 bucks you could go from 45 ACP to 9mm, and probably for an extra 200 bucks you could add 380 ACP to that

 

[TennJed]

I always assumed it was going to be more of a novelty gun than a true SD weapon. Like Bond Arms

 

[RevolvingGarbage]

I think its certainly a serious defensive pistol, for those first two rounds anyway.

 

[TennJed]

I think its certainly a serious defensive pistol, for those first two rounds anyway.

the 45 is defiantly a solid defensive round, but from a SD standpoint it seems like a poor design. Too big to be so limited

 

[Foto Joe]

I just can't justify a two-shooter as a self defense weapon, yeah a .410 SD round or a 45 Colt will put a major hurt on whatever it hits but.....you have to hit it to hurt it.

I'm due to close the deal on the sale of my Bond Arms 45/.410 this afternoon. I bought this cute little two-shooter last summer and it really is a great gun and when my wife stated that she was surprised I'm selling it I informed her that I might have used my little brain when I bought it.

 

[Kiln]

the 45 is defiantly a solid defensive round, but from a SD standpoint it seems like a poor design. Too big to be so limited

I agree. These things are basically just your average derringer chambered in .45acp.

The problem is that two shots of .45acp isn't that impressive when you see 8 shot 9mm's that are basically the same size. At 1/4 the capacity, I can't see why anyone would want a Double Tap Derringer.

 

[C0untZer0]

I just want one

 

[jerkface11]

You left a measurement off. Width .665"

 

[C0untZer0]

ya - most pocket nines come in around .95" - 1" wide

Reports from SHOTshow was that the downside of that slimness is that they are painfull to shoot !

 

[MICHAEL T]

out of that short barrel be able to watch the 45 230gr fly to target Interesting to see if 600FPS with normal 230 ball ammo.

 

[Texan Scott]

I'm rather taken with my Bond. I carry it with the first tube loaded with #4 shot owing to the problem our area has with stray/ feral dogs, and the second with 000 Buck. It also makes a nice deep concealment/ BUG. The weight doesn't bother me, but a gun of the same SIZE really ought to make.more than two holes.

 

[sgt127]

For me the selling point is the DA. I own a couple High Standard derringers. And a ADC .45/410. I see a huge fumble potential trying to thumb cock the ADC under exigent circumstances.

 

[Kiln]

For me the selling point is the DA. I own a couple High Standard derringers. And a ADC .45/410. I see a huge fumble potential trying to thumb cock the ADC under exigent circumstances.

Right but what advantage does it have over modern DOA pistols in 9mm that are roughly the same size and carry an average of six shots?

 

[sgt127]

Right but what advantage does it have over modern DOA pistols in 9mm that are roughly the same size and carry an average of six shots?

Eh....None really. I was more making the point that it does have an advantage being DA over other derringers. If it works well, it would be very reliable for those two shots. MAYBE a tiny bit more reliable than a small auto under certain conditions...for those two shots.

 

[Kiln]

Eh....None really. I was more making the point that it does have an advantage being DA over other derringers. If it works well, it would be very reliable for those two shots. MAYBE a tiny bit more reliable than a small auto under certain conditions...for those two shots.

Can't disagree with you there. Big advantage over traditional SA derringers in powerful chamberings.

I just think with the size of these things there are much better options.

 

[Zaydok Allen]

Either way I just don't see a point to these derringers. They're the size of your average compact 9mm these days but the DoubleTap only holds two shots.

I'm with Kiln on this one. I see no point to these guns. They are ugly as sin too. JMO

I'm due to close the deal on the sale of my Bond Arms 45/.410 this afternoon.

I got rid of mine too. Beautiful little gun, and totally impractical. I couldn't really hit anything with it past 20 feet, limited ammo, heavy for pocket carry, and most importantly, I hated shooting it as it was rather painful to me. I shoot a 460 regularly, but I hated pulling the trigger on my Bond. I traded it off towards an XDs. I'll never look back either.

When you look at the size of it and compare it to pocket nines - it is about the size of the R9 / Boberg / Kahr PM9, but when you compare it to compact 45s - it's a lot smaller and way more reliable than the smallest compact 45 guns.

I really don't know where this comment is coming from. Modern compact .45's are very reliable. GLOCK's compact 45 has been in trusted service by CC's for many years. The XDs is the most reliable out of the box semiauto I've ever shot. It feeds and shoots anything I feed it accurately, without any complaints. If you haven't plaid with one, I suggest you try and hunt one down.

All that being said, if you just want a Double Tap, then enjoy.

 

[C0untZer0]

I really don't know where this comment is coming from. Modern compact .45's are very reliable.

Who makes a semi-auto .45 that is 5.5" long 3.9" high and less than an inch thick, - that reliably shoots hollow point ammo from the major manufacturers?

 

[C0untZer0]

Also, this little DoubleTap is 14 ounces... the XD-S is 21.5

I personally don't see how it fills that much of a niche in 9mm since the Rohrbaugh is about the same size overall and weighs about the same (especially if you have 2 rounds in stored in the grip of the DoubleTap) and the R9 has a 7 round capacity versus 2.

But maybe someone wants a very very slim nine, or maybe someone wants to fire some kind of round out of a nine that won't reliable cycle a small semi-auto 9mm - like shotshells, or maybe underwood +P+ rounds or something.

But IMO it does fill a niche for the 45. The 45 semi-autos aren't nearly that small.

 

[Zaydok Allen]

I guess I'm not following you. You said

it's a lot smaller and way more reliable than the smallest compact 45 guns.

You said compact, and yes, it is smaller. I didn't say the XDs was the same dimensions as the Double Tap.

Who makes a semi-auto .45 that is 5.5" long 3.9" high and less than an inch thick, - that reliably shoots hollow point ammo from the major manufacturers?

I never said anyone did. XDs measures 6.3 x 4.3 x 1.0. And yes it is heavier.

So to clarrify, my question is where are you deriving

and way more reliable than the smallest compact 45 guns

from? I am assuming you are refering to the GLOCK 37?, and the XDs as they are the smallest .45 semiautos I know of, and as far as I know are reliable guns. I only own an XDs though. Does the GLOCK have a bad track record?

Are you refering to 3" 1911's? I have heard of issues with them. Is there another model you are talking about? I'm just asking, not being argumentative. The unreliable comment is what I'm wondering about.

 

[C0untZer0]

Ya I was referring to guns like the AMT Backup,

But more importantly, I don't think anyone has been able to produce a .45 semi-auto the size of the DoubleTap that functions reliably with a a variety of ammo.

So that's why I say, chambered in .45 it fills a niche.

I guess the niche would be people who don't feel safe shooting anything "less" than a 45 but they want to carry in their pocket.

I am interested in the 9mm version, and would probably buy a 380 AUTO barrel for it if they follow through and produce other calibers like they are saying.

But it boils down to me just wanting one.

 

[Swing]

Seen? In person, no. Think they are neat-o? Oh, yes.

 

[Zaydok Allen]

Ya I was referring to guns like the AMT Backup,

Gotcha

But it boils down to me just wanting one.

Hope you find one then. Post a report and review if you get a chance when you do eventually find one.