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Has the bloom fallen off the flower for Glocks?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by MaterDei, Jan 8, 2004.

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  1. MaterDei

    MaterDei Member

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    I know there are a lot of Glock fans out there so let me say this right up front.

    I respect Glocks. I don't own one and have no intention of owning one any time soon, but only because they are just not for me. Just like 1911s are not for everybody, Glocks aren't for me. I've always thought highly of them though and their reputation has always been top notch. However, I've fired a few and they just didn't flip my skirt.

    My comment/question is this. It seems to me that the Glock has lost some of its luster. Why is that? In the past, any negative comment at all about Glocks invariably led to at least a few flames from Glock lovers. I don't see that happening any more. Why?

    I don't think it is because Glock has fallen off in any way. They are just as reliable and durable as always. Is it because everybody else has caught up? Is it because others have surpassed them? Or did Glock lovers just get tired of fighting against all the anti-tupperware speak that was constantly spewed by Glock haters? That's something else I never understood either, the ravid Glock hater community. Even the haters had to admit that the weapon was reliable and durable, so why all the angst?

    Anyway, it is just something that I've noticed as of late.

    Happy New Year.
     
  2. gunsmith

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    I love my glock

    thousands and thousands of rounds no jams.
    I know it will work when the ___ hits the fan
     
  3. Preacherman

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    I think a lot has to do with the fact that Glock is now "mainstream". New entrants into the market are now judged against the Glock, just as the Glock was judged against competitors such as the S&W 39/59, the Colt 1911, Browning HP, etc. As always, when something is no longer "cutting-edge technology", interest tends to dwindle.

    I still own seven Glocks, and carry them more often than any other pistol. :D
     
  4. dukeofurl

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    I think its more of an acceptance of - what works for you may not work for me and vice versa

    Everyone has their own tastes in firearms as well as shooting abilities. If there were a one size fits all gun, we'd all own it already and the person that invented it would be rich.
     
  5. danbh

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    I have to agree with Preacherman, they are now part of the inventory so they are less and less on the front page. I have a 21 that I carry, also a Beretta 8045 . I have never fired a 1911 and the Glock fits perfectly in my hand I like what feels good.
     
  6. Majic

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    I think Glocks are very good at what they do, but they don't fit or appeal to me. I do know alot of shooters disliked Glock's slogan of "Perfection" and that soured their image for some of those who didn't take to them. Then the small problems Glock had (like any other mass producing manufactor) only solidified their dislike of the slogan. Now that those incidents are old news and Glocks are seen as just another product on the shelves attentions are drawn elsewhere.
     
  7. WonderNine

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    Well Glocks have no soul. And nowadays to my jubilation alot of people are tending to want a gun with character. That's just my observation.

    Oh yea, seem Glocks are more expensive now too!
     
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  8. KMKeller

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    Nope, simply the stupiditiy and carelessness of the typical end user. In tech circles, we call this the "DFU Syndrome".
     
  9. LeonCarr

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    I don't think the bloom has fallen off of the flower, I think that Glocks just work, period. Glocks are very reliable, very durable, have decent accuracy (not match grade or anything, but some will surprise you :)), and they are reasonably priced. Some people just get bored with something that works all the time :).

    Just my .02,
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  10. GLOCKT

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    We've become desensatized

    At 1st it was offensive,then it became redundit,and finally we became desensatized.
    The repetitive stories of AD's.
    When 1/2 the police forces in the US, arm them selves with Glocks,the country is going to listen to the good and bad that develope with such a following.
    Due to lowest bidder and what Glock paid the depts for competitors buy backs.
    Glock won many Government contracts.
    Is it a better service pistol,compaired to Colts,Berretta,SW,Ruger,so on and so on?Thats in the eye of the beholder.
    My Colt Commander for $750 doesnt group any better than my $480 Glock G22.Why invest another $400 in a upgrade for the Colt when I could almost save another couple of bills and move into a new Sig or HK?
    The my gun is better than your gun stories have become old to us all.
    I'm happy you have the money and patience to believe in your $900 1911,I for 1 am a family man,and cant justify that amount of money for a average pistol.
    History is the past, I live for the future.
    Dependability,My Colt is as reliable as My 3 Glocks.
    If I want history I'll look to my SKS and Swiss k31.
     
  11. HSMITH

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    I have never talked to anyone that has put 1000 rounds through a Glock that will say anything negative. All of the negativity and questions come from people that are not familiar with the Glock.

    No the bloom is still there, as big and bright as ever. You just have to know what it looks like to see it....
     
  12. ACP230

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    There was a flower?
     
  13. Boats

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    Of course there was a flower.:D

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    Corpse lily

    Here are my reasons, that despite familiarity, Glocks are nothing special:

    A) $500+ for a plastic gun? Who are they kidding?
    B) I have seen, and own, many pistols that are as reliable as Glocks and much better looking.
    C) I won't be running over my pistols with a truck, but I am sure that most of my pistols could take it.
    D) I am not a frogman, so I won't be firing anything underwater.
    E) None of my pistols has anything near the sorry grip angle of any Glock.
    F) Despite all of the hype saying it is possible to make a Glock trigger decent, I have fired one massaged with a lighter disconnector and it still felt like "sproing" compared to a true single action pistol.
    G) Glocks malfunction just like every other human designed and built piece of machinery can do. I have actually seen some Glocks barf up some pretty tight jams.
    H) Per capita, the Glock ownership group has the higest percentage of know-nothings, for whom the pinnacle of firearms knowledge is a Tommy Lee Jones quote from a crappy sequel to The Fugitive.

    Did I miss anything?
     
  14. SMLE

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    The Local Sheriff's Dept. made its officers carry only their issue Glocks for several years. When we got a new Sheriff, he recinded that order. The sudden, widespread appearance of 1911s, in SO holsters should tell you something.

    Is the Glock a good gun? Yes. Is it the greatest thing ever in the whole history of human kind? Not even remotely.

    And I second Boats' comment about the sorry grip angle.
     
  15. FireInTheHole

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    I've kicked the crap out of my 10 year old g22 over the past 6 months with some really STOUT homeloads. :uhoh:

    The thing just keep eating up anything I throw at it.

    I dont think there is a lack of glock lovers, just that most of them are secure enough in their firearm(s) that negative comments just slide right off.
     
  16. cratz2

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    I own a Glock and will probably own two more in the forseeable future. I'm not a tremendously huge fan of them but they serve their purpose quite well.

    As to why fans see to ardently defend them to their detractors... Well, I consider myself a 1911 fan... Always have been, always will be. When someone posts something to the effect of 1911s being archaic or too old school, I don't feel any need to defent what I consider to be a near perfect full-sized pistol. Same thing is probably true of many rational Glock fans... There's no need to defend what is likely the most widely used law enforcement pistol in the country... What is been shown to be servicably accurate and unquestionably reliable.

    Some folks don't like plastic and some folks enjoy their Glocks...
     
  17. LeonCarr

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    I think Boats is just jealous :).

    Just my .02,
    LeonCarr
     
  18. FPrice

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    "My comment/question is this. It seems to me that the Glock has lost some of its luster. Why is that?"

    Possibly because like any other commercial product, Glock assumed a high standing in the firearms world and this caused many other firearms companies worked on their products to compete with and win against Glock.

    NO company gets on top and stays on top forever. At least none I can think of right off.
     
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    That says it right there for me. I carry a Glock on a daily basis; it works. All the time, everytime. But it really is a boring gun, no soul, no...history?

    Now if you want to talk about S&W N-frame revolvers or 1911s, now there's a few guns with soul!
     
  20. 45auto

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    As mentioned, I think there are so many Glocks around, they are the largest selling auto by far, that they are the standard now. Which also means they are boring, I don't need to read an article about a model 17/19 etc.

    I doubt they need the sales, but to create the excitement they once had, they would probably have to introduce different frame angles, finishes, etc.
    I don't think the 45 GAP is going to do it for them.

    I shoot a 1911 and would feel the same if Colt was the only 1911 manufacturer producing the mil-spec variety only. I don't need to read many articles or hear discussions on one platform and one company. It's only the fact that there are many 1911 producers trying to out-do each other, or self destruct through a lack of brain cells ;) , that makes it interesting and fun.
     
  21. BHPshooter

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    Bingo.

    I'm not saying all people who own Glocks are idiots, but many of the people who are duped into a Glock as their first handgun think that magically they can operate any other gun out there. And the only good thing in US Marshalls was that "nickel plated sissy pistol [Taurus PT945]."

    I've shot a lot of handguns, and there are still many more out there that baffle me -- I don't claim to know how to field strip a Makarov or a Mateba. But many people I know -- who have only ever shot a Glock -- claim to be experts on firearms. :rolleyes:

    Personally, I've got no big problem with them, other than they don't fit my hand like I think they should. To each his own.

    Wes
     
  22. Lagadelphia

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    "Or did Glock lovers just get tired of fighting against all the anti-tupperware speak that was constantly spewed by Glock haters?"

    This is basically the reason for me. I mean, some people who sit and bash Glocks all day long usually carry guns that usually require you to toss out the mags that come with it and buy third party mags so the gun runs reliably.

    These are the same people who are members to fourms dedicated to said gun upon which you find nothing but post after post asking about fixing problems with said gun. Across all manufacturers no less.

    These are the same people who obviously don't see a problem with buying a gun that is more expensive that a Glock and it not running reliably out of the box in many cases. "Send it back. XXX company is great about making it right." I don't know about you, but if I were to drop $800 on a pistol, it had better damn well hit the ground running and not look back.

    So you can see why a person would get tired of arguing with people like that.
     
  23. FireInTheHole

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    Man I really love this quote.

    Anyhow, THIS glock owner just broke down his 'sissy-gun':)p) beretta 92FS last night and swapped out all the springs, firing pin, etc. I feel pretty secure in my knowledge regarding firearms, thank you. :)

    LOL.
     
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  24. Ala Dan

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    I've owned three: a G17, G23, and a G27.

    All three were exceptional firearm's, never having
    experienced a problem with any of them! After
    mastering the DA first shot of the SIG-SAUER; the
    Glock "safe action trigger" just seem more like that
    of a good ole' double-action revolver, and I NEVER
    warmed up too that feeling. If I wanted that type
    of feeling, I would just have purchased a good ole'
    Smith or Ruger wheel gun.

    Glock produces and sells many great firearm's. I
    don't see that trend changing anytime soon. Which
    I see as good; cuz it will make other manufactuer'ers
    be on top of their game!

    Best Wishes,
    Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
     
  25. BHPshooter

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    Like I said, not all are this way... just a few. You know what they say: the smallest minority is always the loudest.

    Wes
     
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