Has the new Charles Daly HP been released yet?

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I'll reserve judgement until I see one of these Charles Daly HP's.

I will say that the FN-marked HiPowers don't impress me at all with fit or finish, and the plethora of deep numbers and importer marks really uglifies (is that a word?) these guns.

On the other hand, I just handled a NEWLY IMPORTED BROWNING MkIII HP - the dealer had it labeled "Type S" - that had much better workmanship. The exposed part of the barrel over the chamber is contoured a bit differently than my late '90's MkIII, and the finish is not quite as nice, but it's still much nicer than the FN-marked pistols.

He was asking around $625 . . .
 
OK since I own a few FEG's.. I'll pipe in.

Yes this Charles Daley LOOKS better, but thats just a promo photo.

My early model PJK 9HP indeed has tooling marks, particularly on the muzzle crown on the slide (big nicks) and the bluing is wearing to grey on the back strap. Now understand when I bought this I didn't HAVE $400 for a nicer pistol so a few marks were no big deal and it doesn't jam if you clean it once in a while. I turned in a warrenty card when I bought the gun (FEG has been around for 100 years or so, like CZ). I had to replace the tiny safety with an extended one I could use.

Now my buddy Dan was so impressed he bought the same one as me. He left the tiny safety, his had less toolibng marks than mine. His blueing is holding up better. However, he's only shot his maybe 500 times total, where as I'm shooting 200 rds a month or so through mine (and I wear the blue off all my autos along the backstrap).

Dad was so impressed HE bought an FEG PJK9HP, but his is newer, no machine marks but its NOT really a clone as the slide stop and slide stop cut on the slide are different. Feels a little better in your hand as the controls are better from trhe factory, sights were painted better as well.

Now I have another buddy that wants an FEG. I warned him they have been going up in price, partially thanks to guys like me that shoot and praise them as a bargain. Maybe KBI/Charles Daily realized they already have a pistol that can shoot, they just need to buff it up a bit to be able to charge $400+ for it. (ie put some nice sights on it, better controls and a decent set of grips)

Fact is I spent $200 on mine when I bought it, spent another $75 replacing the safety and $30 on grips, so I now have $305 in mine as it is.

Every smith Iv'e talked to (and I'd say I've takled to 4 here in Denver) agrees the TRUE CLONE FEG's are good ordinance quality steel and are well made, if a little thinly blued. The SW-Hybrid DA guns from FEG don't get that kind of praise and are apparently hard to work on.

My best guess? The Charles Daley will have a nicer fit and finish and will sell well, provided it's still a bargain compared to other new 9mm's on the market.

Heck I might even get one (if you can't still find a NIB true clone FEG)

Oh and since a pair of pre-shrunk fitted 501's are running about $50 a pair these days.. 4 piars ought to do fine, oh wait make it 5 for the background check and sales tax :neener:
 
Now that just ruined it.


Why the hell does Charles Daly have to paint everything like it's a danged billboard?
I HATE THAT.
Well, if the gun is still good, I'd still get one, but only after I had the coin to send it to some place for refinishing work... Which is the reason I was liking the idea of a CD HP... because I wouldn't have to do that.

FETCH.

*sigh*
 
Jeez. George, I'd wait until the shop gets one in, rather than ordering sight unseen.

That reminds me more of the Armscorp 1911s Daly sells than an Browning product.


So, anybody see those FM HPs for $269?;)
 
The REAL FEG clone HP is a nice gun. You guys can say what ever you want...Ive only shot 2 and they were both the 9HP's with nice deep blueing too. One was a little tuned and was nicer than the FN's we shot at the same shoot.

Id take a Daly...good sights and good sights :D
Scotch brite the name off and reblue it..youd be set.


Shoot well
 
George,

At the risk of offending (again), why do you care about machine marks when you plan on covering the slide in paint (albeit, very nice teflon paint)?

I would have pegged you for high-gloss blue HP kindofguy.
 
See.. that's the damn problem with 1911 owners.

Rob: See this? its a bargain only $200 bucks! I Can get into IDPA for cheap!

George: yeah well that MIGHT shoot well but any pistolero worth his brass would put a $500 purple teflon coating that will stand up to saltwater sand and kryptonite!

Rob: and how will this affect accuracy?

George: Then get some virgin coconoboluat wood grown only in sweden at odd times of the year.. or better yet mammoth ivory.

Rob: maybe a couple extra magazines

George: Oh and nickeled hex-headed grip screws!

Rob: and this will affect accuracy how?

George: then file off the sights and replace them with millet rangfinding odometric glow in zero g sights.. $200 plus machining

Rob: ok so for $400 I can get a gun and sights

George: plus machining... at least get it hard chromed!

Rob: I kinda like it glossy-blue black

George: NO! Not that my brother in law does np6 finishes.. have you considered electric titanium oxide wash? Looks cooooooool adds .00025 seconds in your split times when you add wd-40 in a kydex holster

Rob: and the way it 'breaks in' it has character, I kinda like the rub marks

George: GRIP SCREWS!

Rob: Think I'll buy more ammo

George: BEAVERTAIL! MAGAZINE WELL! ONE PIECE GUIDE ROD!

Rob: dude it works JUST FINE!

George: You will just never understand me!

Rob: uhhhhh

George: next thing you know you'll buy a .. a.. don't make me say it

Rob: what?

George: a GLOCK are you happy now? Look youv'e ruined Christmas! I hope you are happy.

(with apologies to George)

WHY take a $200 pistol and make it into a $600 pistol if it works out of the box?? It's not a bargain anymore if you do that.
 
Uh, Rob? When did we get married? :scrutiny:



The NP3 finish comment was a joke. Geeze guys... cut me some slack. Of course it would have been more obvious had I suggested such a refinishing on a Hi Point, instead of a Hi Power.

My point was that I don't want to do anything to the gun. If I wanted a tinker toy, I'd get an FEG. I am told (I've never owned) FEG HPs are reliable, just not what anyone would call "Match Grade" in terms of accuracy. Then again, it's only a 200 dollar pistol. If I wanted to build up my own custom HP, an FEG might not be a bad way to go. But Id rather just pick up a CD, if they are a worthy clone, and call it Good Enough right out of the box. The sights are a huge plus, as those are what I would pick given the choice.

I would have pegged you for high-gloss blue HP kindofguy.
Actually, I'm all about practicality in my guns. A gun that is too pretty might not ever be fired. I have 2 such handguns that I never mention... let alone shoot. I fired them each one mag full, cleaned them up, lubed them well with CLP, and they lay resting in a safe deposit box. They are a matched pair of autos, engraved with my sons names. They will never be sold. They will never be taken out to the desert. Never be worn in holsters. Anyways... All my other autos are all about being used. You should see my Beretta. NRA would only call it GOOD Condition, but man, is it a shooter!
HEX GRIP SCREWS ROCK!!
 
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