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Hasta la vista AWB!

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by jamesbeat, Mar 19, 2013.

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  1. jamesbeat

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    This looks like Good News!
    It is by no means over, as the AWB could be added as an amendment, but it certainly seems to have upset Frankenstein:

    http://www.breitbart.com/instablog/2013/03/19/hasta-la-vista-assault-weapon-ban

     
  2. TanklessPro

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    Thanks for posting, but now is not the time to slow down. We have to keep up the emails and phone calls to our Reps.
     
  3. InkEd

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    I am worried that a less fanatical version may pass easier than her extreme one. IMHO it is a bit of a double-edge sword. We have to keep up the efforts to maintain our rights.
     
  4. lilguy

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    We have a far more tenacious opponent here in Illinois, the Chicago machine. We're fighting dozens of bills banning everything. One requiring the registration of every mag over 10 rds. Is within several votes of passing. The Feds were never an issues for us this time around.
     
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    Reid doesn't want anything to do with the Feinstein AWB bill. I don't blame him.
     
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    It's not going to pass the Senate, and possibly not even the House . . . . for at least 2 years (if Dems get the House back) so yes the pressure needs to keep up.
     
  7. jamesbeat

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    Quite the opposite!

    Make no mistake, the reason that this AWB didn't make it is because of the efforts of people like us.
    If they thought they'd get away with it, they would have included it.
    We may get something similar as an amendment, but they were too scared to put it through as it was, and that is because we've been vociferous on our condemnation of it.

    We have to fight even harder now!
    Let them know that even a revised version tacked on as an amendment will be political suicide.

    Everyone who has been fighting should see this as a small sign that it is working and redouble their efforts.
     
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    we have to be very careful, they are practising the "Overton Window", where they propose something so horrible that gets people up in arms, and then come back later with a bill that is "reasonable".
    If they just came out with the "reasonable" one first, it may or may not pass, but by pushing the window far to the side, they make us think we are getting off easy with the final result.
     
  9. Bartholomew Roberts

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    Please don't get complacent. What happened is Feinstein was told that her AWB (S. 150) will not be part of the "base gun control bill" offered by Dems. This means that the bill that gets a floor vote will not have AWB language in it. However, Feinstein can still offer her bill as an amendment to this bill (or any other gun bill) and if she has the votes (50 or 60 depending on the procedural tactics used) it will become part of whatever bill she tries to attach it to.

    The reason they did this is because the Dem leadership really wants registration and they are afraid that putting the AWB in the base bill will kill all of their gun control - and cause them to lose Senate races in 2014.

    The game here is with the AWB separate, your not-so-Second-Amendment-friendly Senators can tell you in 2014: "I support the Second Amendment and voted against gun and magazine bans; however I continue to support reasonable, common-sense gun laws like (having you stupid hillbillies tell me what guns and magazines you own so that after I'm re-elected I can fix that) universal background checks."
     
  10. jamesbeat

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    It still stands that they knew the AWB would limit support.
    Now we have to make sure they know that UBC is an equally stupid political move.
     
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    I agree with you.

    I get the distinct impression that many of the Dems don't even want to have to face a vote on the AWB. They know what will happen (as it did after passage of the 1994 AWB) and would rather just sit quietly and collect their pay.
     
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    For some reason I got a hankering for some huevos rancheros though.. hastala what?
     
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    I think this is a ploy in which they offer defeat to get the pro-gun crowd to back off. In other words, don't let up steam just because they claim this.
     
  14. jamesbeat

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    I think you can interpret it either way, either they backed down because we're doing better than they expected and they want to cut their losses, or it's a ploy to get us to back off.

    I suspect that it's a mixture of both, and that if they are expecting us to back off, we should give them the surprise of their life.

    How about stopping the AWB and UBC, and then getting the national right to carry reciprocity act passed too for good measure?
     
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    That lady in the picture is dangerous...got her finger on the trigger!

    If she is gonna handle guns, she needs to take a safety course.
     
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    Dropping AWB

    Breaking news on Fox is that Senate Dems have dropped the assault weapons ban from the gun bill. No further explanation so we will have to wait until it hits the wires.
     
  17. ugaarguy

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    This needs to be repeated. The football analogy of going into a prevent defense late in the game to stop the opponent from scoring, but in reality it only prevents you from winning, is applicable here. We can't drop back into coverage and let them pick us apart. We must maintain the pass rush - we have to keep blitzing and keep putting the heat on them.
     
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    Careful -- this is just a smokescreen to enable them to extend background checks to private sales. Having given up on the AWB, they'll present extended background checks as a "compromise."
     
  19. Certaindeaf

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    "gun bill" still sounds expensive.
     
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    This simply a tactical choice by Reid: put a "clean" bill on the Senate floor (including only the trafficking provision and school security), and then open it to amendments such as the AWB and background checks. The AWB has not been "dropped."
     
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    Exactly, this is just political maneuvering and trickery. They will try to slide it under the door in the dead of night.
     
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    Na, I think it is dead. Everyone knows it won't pass and the dems do not want to have to go on the record and vote for it with electrions coming up if they know it will not pass. Just my opinion.
     
  24. ATLDave

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    The Democrats do not have 60 votes to force cloture in the face of a non-speaking filibuster. It's not clear they even have 51 votes. And they darn sure don't have a majority in the House! The AWB has always had a <1% chance of passage, and the mag limit only slightly better.
     
  25. longknife12

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    Careful, it will slide into something else....amendment!!!!!
    Dan
     
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