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Have a Ruger Scout on layaway. How about a handgun scope??

Discussion in 'Shooting Gear and Storage' started by Rule3, Jul 16, 2013.

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  1. Rule3

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    The Ruger Scout is 308 Win. I have Burris 2x-20 scope off my Ruger 44 Mag.

    I looked at the specs of the Burris Scout Scope(2.75x-20) and the eye relief is 8.5-14

    My handgun scope eye relief is 10-24 It has a larger FOV

    The 2-7 x32 Scout Rifle scope is 11-21 eye relief which is the same as the 2x-7x - 32 Handgun scope.

    So unless I am missing something what's the difference.??

    I held the scope I had out as far as it would be on the rifle and I can see fine.

    What say you optic folks?:)

    Here are the scopes and specs:

    http://www.burrisoptics.com/scout.html

    http://www.burrisoptics.com/handgun.html
     
  2. Sam1911

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    One thing I've noticed with using handgun scopes for Scout rifles is that most handguns scopes don't really have the best range of eye-relief for the job. They give their clearest, least occluded, view out at arms' length, not where you most want to mount them on a Scout rifle.

    I've got a quite nice handgun scope on a Marlin 336 set up in "Scout" configuration, and I'd love to be able to run that scope about 4" closer to my eye. Even out at the farthest forward mounting position I still don't get full field-of-view, and on higher magnification (like 2-3x) the black ring of occlusion starts to really eat into my view. The scope just wants to be farther away.

    If it would work closer I'd have a wider field of view downrange and the whole view would stay clear.

    So, I wish I had a true intermediate eye-relief scope instead of a dedicated handgun scope for that purpose. I'd absolutely go with the one that promises to work at 8.5" eye relief.
     
  3. Rule3

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    This is what confuses me. The eye relief for the handgun scopes and the "Scout rifle" are almost and in the case of the variable 3-7 exactly the same.??

    I guess the only way to tell is put the scope on the rifle. It has a small picatinany rail so there is a lot of adjustment.
     
  4. Sam1911

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    Here's XS Sights' scout rail, which I have:

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    When I mount my handgun scope all the way at the front edge, it's not quite far enough away. That bugs me.
     
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    leatherwood makes a 2x7 long eye relief scope that was used in the original tests that won't brak the budget
    http://ads.midwayusa.com/find?dimensionids=4294845339&dimensionids=4294846062&statuses=Available&statuses=In+Stock&statuses=Backorder+OK&statuses=Special+Order&statuses=Not+Available&statuses=No+Backorder&statuses=Coming+Soon&statuses=Other&minPrice=&maxPrice=&sortBy=1&itemsPerPage=20&PreviousCategoryDimensionId=11493&promotionId=&userSearchQuery=&cm_mmc=ps_bing-_-BetaOptics-_-leatherwood+hi-lux-_-{adposition}
     
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    if your scope works, use it. some pistol scopes have and eye relief that is too short for pistols at arms length, but work great for scout scopes. Some are great for pistols at arms length and poor for scout scoping. Hard to tell till you try.

    I ran a leupold pistol scope on a scouted marlin, and I have a simmons pistol scope on an m1 carbine scout setup now. Probably going to replace it with an ncstar pistolero. Simmons works great, the leupold was right at the end of working. eye relief was slightly too long for optimum, but it worked. For a heavier recoiling rifle something nicer might be the ticket. that leatherwood looked nice, and my buddy's 2.75x burris scout scope was a better scope than the 2x leupold m8 pistol scope in scout config.
     
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    Look for an intermediate eye relief scope. I think leupold and burris make them.
     
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    I vastly prefer the Leupold scope on my Scout(s). Great glass, worth the $.

    Andy (the scoutrifle forum guy!)
     
  10. Rule3

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    I like the Loop scopes also but like Burris as well. My Handgun scope is the same specs as the Burris Scout scope. I spoke with Burris and said there is really no difference in them.
     
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    If you go that way, get the one with the shortest eye relief, like the Burris Scout Scope which starts at 8.5". Another thing to be wary of is variable power scopes can have a moving eye relief depending on power. This isn't so much a big deal on a regular receiver mounted scope, but can be a big deal on a barrel mounted scout scope. That Burris 2-7x32 Scout eye relief actually seems out of range unless you can mount it really far forward on the Ruger GSR rail.

    I have a GSR and did install my already owned Simmons 4x32 ProHunter handgun scope. I tried it on another rifle before that. Eye relief on it starts at 11.8" by the specs. On the my GSR, it does work just barely with the scope mounted as far forward on the rail as it can go. Luckily the scope is only about 9" long so it doesn't look overly strange hanging way out there.

    Still, when I say that handgun scope's eye relief works on the GSR, I mean it works really well when standing. When shooting prone or from a bench, my head moves forward on the stock just enough to make sighting more challenging. Not impossible, just not quick and easy.

    So IMO, I recommend getting a scout scope for your GSR with an eye relief shorter than 11". Something around 9" to 10" ought to be ideal.

    BTW, my GSR is currently scopeless. I just like the way it handles without that lump of weight out there on the barrel. I do like using the iron sights very much at the moment, so removing the forward mounted scope is no great loss to me.
     
  12. Rule3

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    Thanks. Good information.
    I also like the rifle with just the open sights. Guess that's what drew me to it when I first picked it up. I am in no means in a hurry to plunk down a bunch of money for a nice scope:eek: Tha's why I was thinking of using the scope I have,
    I tried it at the LGS yesterday just holding the scope up there and it will probably work but I agree about adding extra weight. The variable scope weighs twice the fixed 2x so that is a no go fo me.
     
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    the only handgun scope that I ever got to work well on a scout setup was a Weaver fixed 2x. Everything else that I tried exhibited vignetting and other sight issues due to eye relief mismatch.

    Leupold makes a variable IER/scout scope now, through their Custom Shop. I've had one, and it worked well.
     
  14. Sam1911

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    That's the problem I've had -- "vingetting," though I didn't think of that word for it.

    With the T/C scope I have on my 336, it works fine at low power, as long as it's mounted all the way out, but shifting to higher power makes the field of view black out down to a small tunnel-visioned peep hole.
     
  15. Rule3

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    OK now you are getting technical. I use that on my salads.
    A nice oil and vinegar, vignetting.:D
     
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