Have gun people stopped buying?

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vintovka:
And with that high gas cost partly caused by our White House shutting down some elements of the US gas industry while begging OPEC to pump more is the most galling aspect of this fuel scam.

Never mind the Nordstream 2 pipeline construction in the Baltic - to pump fuel to our Once reliable NATO ally Germany....
 
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Oddly enough at a middle sized gun show the prices on new guns were not bad, but used and C&R guns were very high. I sold a Glock 17 there and a guy at the first table bought at $550.00 without bargaining. I noticed he had it for sale at $700.00 when I left. Chinese AK's and SKS's were sky high and the M-1 Garand's started at $1100.00 and went up. People were buying at these prices not just looking. Ammunition was high but not terrible. New S&W SD9VE $300.00, I bought one. This was in November so I don't know how much the situation has changed, but at that show people were definitely buying.
 
When I was younger and employed, I enjoyed spending my money. Since having to take early retirement, I have a very small budget and most guns (and their ammo) are beyond my means. So I have what I have, and enjoy what I have. Now if I could just get some reasonably priced large pistol and rifle primers... :cuss:
 
I think a lot of us are done buying.

Me: I have handguns and various rifles. Was more surplus before this started, but I filled in the blanks (meaning- ARs) over the course of the past several years. My latest purchase- got a couple more lowers and built one into an A2 design for appearance's sake. Along with that, my son and I received a hand-me-down K98 barreled action, that we rebuilt into a K98. It's unmarked, but has been rechambered. I'm investigating what it is, seems to be maybe a 8mm-06.
I have plenty of 223 for the AR, and you don't buy 8mm-06 at the store.

I have plenty of actual firearms, and ammo to feed them all. I have altered my range habits to shoot what I need to stay reasonably accurate with my preferred handgun, and to confirm function on any newer purchase (I make sure it runs, then ease off). I do take them out and clean/caress them more, but I'm not pouring ammo through them.

Today's prices- I added one case of Norma 9mm brass for $300 just before Black Friday, a case of steel 223 for $315, and a case of 7.62x39 for $270, that same month. Note- I said "added", meaning I have plenty of those rounds already, at pre-panic prices. Those cases are my future investment, based on what happens over the next year: if prices drop below that, I will add. If prices don't, we'll likely become guys who own guns, but shoot sparingly. I still belong to a range, renewal is July. I hope to know by then which direction things will go.
 
12Pump said:
I was at Scheels today, and noticed that things were very different from my last visit. Display cases that were removed not long ago so as to not bring attention to how empty they were getting to be, were back again, and now they were all full of handguns of every brand. Long guns were back, with multiples of almost all the popular ones that were missing recently. Ammo was also back in a big way, with all calibers represented in large numbers.

But there was something missing: Customers.

Sure, plenty of inventory to buy, but the prices were so high that I guess people no longer see anything as worthwhile. A 50 round box of Wolf 9mm steel case for $20 was the cheapest FMJ 9mm ammo. The rest was upwards of $30. A S&W Sport 2 AR15 used to sell for $550 elsewhere, but $600 at Scheels. Now it's $800 at Scheels.

I bought a S&W Shield 9mm less than a year ago there for $429. Now it's $499.
A Ruger 10/22 rifle with a regular wood stock is $319. It used to be about $100 less before.
Let's hope the law of supply and demand takes hold. If prices are too high, people don't buy, forcing prices back down.
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New gun buyers are learning ... what good is a gun if there is little to no affordable ammo?

Gun makers are hoping that Biden is going-to announce tomorrow, while in NYC, new anti-gun legislation which may spur-on another panic buy. Otherwise things are slowing waaaaay down for actual new gun sales.

Ammo remains the issue and that's going to be the new norm until a couple of these new primer manufacturers are up and running.

RCBS Vista is treating their CCI line of primers like crack, like an addictive drug ... you gotta buy the pipe to get the drugs. (Forcing newbies to buy kits and die sets in order to get the primers.) That's gotta stop and it should tell us all where the problem really lies.

So why buy a new gun? A gun without ammo doesn't even make a good club. Baseball bats are better than ammo-less firearms.
 
Last thing I bought was a dedicated .22lr AR upper from Right To Bear last fall.
Something that’s been on my wish list, and I’ve gone thru a lot more rimfire over the past year.

I’ve noticed firearms inventory is back to normal at most brick & mortar places, but not so much with ammo. And both still seem to be expensive. The internet used to be my go-to for ammo, even factoring in shipping. If the panic is over, no one’s told the internet yet.

Is it better than 2021? Yes. But at today’s prices I’m passing by most of the stuff I see.
 
earlthegoat2 said:
I’m not looking at guns or ammo.

I had to buy a car. That is a pretty bleak picture these days. I always drive junkers so at least it didn’t totally destroy my bankroll. Still, it was hard to find the right thing at a reasonable cost and a good chunk of change is now gone. At least I wasn’t looking for something 2012 and newer. They are getting insane money for those right now. (And your getting a worse car….)

I am not really wanting anything right now either other than accessories or maybe optics.
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New car prices are crazy. My local dealers are putting a $3k fee on top of the MSRP. Really popular cars, like the new Santa Cruz have a $10k premium
 
Until somebody comes out with anything I want im done buying anything from a gun store. Other than the Glock rimfire ive not seen a thing remotely interesting in years. I considered a p365 or XL. Couldn't decide which. Eventually decided it would just be in the safe while I carried my current carry gun anyway. The only thing I might buy is a MK23 in 10mm. Just because I've said for 30 years id buy one if they made it. Have to keep my word. But I don't think I have to worry about that one

I finally seen skeet shells at walmart the other day. First time in 2 years. 8.50 a box. Used to be 5.50. I just don't care enough about shooting any more to spend that. Not that I'll run out of ammo in my lifetime
 
Zak Smith said:
You could shoot 40 Super with just a barrel and maybe spring change
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I have an older one in 45. But honestly at this stage if I bought one in 10mm I'd shoot a couple mags and throw it in a safe. Just like my 220 in 10mm. Lol. I was bragging up the 10mm for 20 years when Glock and Kimber (and tanfoglio) were all that made a 10mm. Taken many whitetail with them (and a couple Delta elite). I'm not as excited by the 10 as I used to be now that everyone else has one. BUT id still keep my word on the MK23. Just like I did with my 610 and 220 when they released those.

I wouldn't mind a scaled back Desert eagle in 10mm. Super accurate silhouette type gun. Rotating bolt. Not a baby eagle....but a Mini eagle. Lol. I wouldn't be interested if it were as comically large as my 44 eagle though. The MK 23 is comically large enough. Which is why I think HK wouldn't make much money on it. Poor manufacturing choice. But id still get one
 
I am excited to see if ruger has done a good job with marlin. My dad had a 30-30 xlr that he sold that I would be keen on replacing.
 
12Pump said:
I was at Scheels today, and noticed that things were very different from my last visit. Display cases that were removed not long ago so as to not bring attention to how empty they were getting to be, were back again, and now they were all full of handguns of every brand. Long guns were back, with multiples of almost all the popular ones that were missing recently. Ammo was also back in a big way, with all calibers represented in large numbers.

But there was something missing: Customers.

Sure, plenty of inventory to buy, but the prices were so high that I guess people no longer see anything as worthwhile. A 50 round box of Wolf 9mm steel case for $20 was the cheapest FMJ 9mm ammo. The rest was upwards of $30. A S&W Sport 2 AR15 used to sell for $550 elsewhere, but $600 at Scheels. Now it's $800 at Scheels.

I bought a S&W Shield 9mm less than a year ago there for $429. Now it's $499.
A Ruger 10/22 rifle with a regular wood stock is $319. It used to be about $100 less before.
Let's hope the law of supply and demand takes hold. If prices are too high, people don't buy, forcing prices back down.
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Any time there is a major shift in politics, or crime rates there is a major shift in firearms purchases... thats just the politics of it..lol:)

And recently (last 2 years) there has been a shift in both.... Now that everyone realizes were stuck with the current POTUS and the covid has somewhat recessed, thi sounds about right to me. In it's most basic form it's called "Panic Buying"
 
MacAR said:
I bought one, maybe two guns last year and traded for a couple as well. I traded one gun this month, and if I hadn't been looking for a fair priced Model 12 I wouldn't have even thought about making the trade.
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Interesting you mention a Model 12. On my list of pieces to move out of my safe is an engraved 1917 manufacture Model 12. I'm not looking to give it away and I would be interested in hearing opinions of online auctions such as Gun Broker, I'm sure there are others. I'm not looking to go into business, I would like to sell this shotgun and not get raped (figuratively).

Thoughts? I'm not adverse to walking a gun show but that would be down my list of options.
 
3850remhep said:
Thoughts?
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Honestly? Without going the GunBroker route, your best bet is to consign it with someone. Something like you describe needs to go to a place like Classic Firearms, Simpson Ltd., etc to get the best return. Your LGS might be able to sell it for you, but you likely won't get top dollar unless a collector just happens to walk in and see it. Otherwise, you're going to have to try and peddle it on forums, etc. ShotgunWorld used to have a good classifieds section, but I haven't been there in a couple years. This site has a great classified area and you'd do well to list it there.

As far as value, you're going to have to get your Blue Book out, or find someone that has one. Without seeing it, I couldn't start to guess it's worth. Not only that, there are other questions that need to be answered. Is it 100% factory? Does it have any extras? Is the engraving factory or done after the fact. I'd make a post about the gun, with good photos, down in the shotgun section and see what they community opinion is. Sorry I can't be more helpful.

Mac
 
I was looking to get a new (used) truck right when the covid hit, but figured I would wait and see where this covid thing was going. Now with the chip shortage on new vehicles, it has driven the cost of used vehicles up aprox 20%. a used truck that used to be valued at 25k, is now going to cost you about 32k.

I have even seen some used "low mileage" trucks listed as a higher cost than the same compareable model brand new. This chip and bidenflation is hitting all industries.


(Im looking at getting a Kimber Rapide Micro 9mm Black Ice) maybe!
 
BlueHeelerFl said:
Really popular cars, like the new Santa Cruz have a $10k premium
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Nothing premium about the santa Cruz. My sister bought one late last year for msrp but ive seen them selling for nearly double now. My 5.0 F150 gets just as good mileage as her puny NA 2.5(confirmed several times on trips together). I also have 2x the room. The Hyundai back seats are worthless And that's coming from a man who owns 86, 93, and 04 Mustangs, an 02 Trans am, and an 08 two door wrangler rubicon. Just to illustrate that I know all about worthless back seats. I prefer their two Baja (which also gets abysmal mileage) to their Santa Cruz anyday and I hate Subaru. The build of the Santa Cruz is a 15-20k dollar car max. Closer to the cavalier/focus/Corolla etc etc entry level cars. Not 40k which is getting into f150/1500 territory.

I've noticed the Maverick selling for 35-40k as well when it's a 20k dollar ride.
I can't imagine who is buying these budget vehicles for these non-budget prices. Im a fan of the Maverick and santa cruz for the 20k they were supposed to sell for. But if im going to pay 40k and get 22 MPG then I can buy a 3/4 ton truck. Lol. Ive not had any customers or experience with the Maverick yet though. Maybe it gets some mileage. Idk

Now is a decent time to buy a gun. Now is the absolute worst time in my life time to even think of buying a new or used car. I own a shop and do work for people. I know several used car dealers who just closed down because they can't get anything to sell.
 
Limited availability of volume of new production has pushed the consumer to the used market, and limited new sales has pushed the dealers to up the prices for used based on demand for used.
 
45CalPal said:
I was looking to get a new (used) truck right when the covid hit, but figured I would wait and see where this covid thing was going. Now with the chip shortage on new vehicles, it has driven the cost of used vehicles up aprox 20%. a used truck that used to be valued at 25k, is now going to cost you about 32k.

I have even seen some used "low mileage" trucks listed as a higher cost than the same compareable model brand new. This chip and bidenflation is hitting all industries.


(Im looking at getting a Kimber Rapide Micro 9mm Black Ice) maybe!
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One of the few positive aspects of these ongoing shortages of everything is that it has brought attention to the de-industrialization issue in a way that might finally get through to some people. When no one buys ammo or a vehicle for years due to shortages that might wake them up.
 
The largest blame was the brillance of bill clinton signing the dumbest idea of the century... NAFTA

All it did was kill the industrialization of the US, and made us dependent on other countries for importation of needed goods, we mostly already made here.

Way to go Bill!!!!
 
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