Have gun people stopped buying?

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45CalPal said:
The largest blame was the brillance of bill clinton signing the dumbest idea of the century... NAFTA

All it did was kill the undustrialization of the US, and made us dependent on other countries for importation of needed goods, we mostly already made here.

Way to go Bill!!!!
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Which was negotiated by Reagan and Bush. And technically ratified by all three countries in 93. NAFTA was a republican bill. More Republicans voted for it than Democrats.

Not being political. Just odd how in the past 10-12 years NAFTA has been peddled by Republicans as a Democrat idea. And Democrats actually support it now more than they did at the time. Lol. Much like several of the Democrat lawmakers pushed for a border wall until Republicans liked the idea.. then the Democrats hated it. Thats the issue with politics. Vote for your "side" rather than your constituents. Buffalo Springfield was on to something

No politic is for you. They make 150k a year and after a 2 4 or 6 year term of making 150k a year they have a net worth of several million.....I make 150k a year and after 2 4 or 6 years I'm worth 50 bucks. Hmmmmm

I have worked in an industry ravaged by Nafta for 20 years. Both parties like to blame the other side. Both parties are to blame
 
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Yeah we the people are the victims, and our abondened industries. just look at michigan for one example, near the river... its a ghost town of industrial buildings all shut down at the fault of the NAFTA...
 
MacAR said:
Honestly? Without going the GunBroker route, your best bet is to consign it with someone. Something like you describe needs to go to a place like Classic Firearms, Simpson Ltd., etc to get the best return. Your LGS might be able to sell it for you, but you likely won't get top dollar unless a collector just happens to walk in and see it. Otherwise, you're going to have to try and peddle it on forums, etc. ShotgunWorld used to have a good classifieds section, but I haven't been there in a couple years. This site has a great classified area and you'd do well to list it there.

As far as value, you're going to have to get your Blue Book out, or find someone that has one. Without seeing it, I couldn't start to guess it's worth. Not only that, there are other questions that need to be answered. Is it 100% factory? Does it have any extras? Is the engraving factory or done after the fact. I'd make a post about the gun, with good photos, down in the shotgun section and see what they community opinion is. Sorry I can't be more helpful.

Mac
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Mac,

Thanks for the very useful info, it is an excellent start and very helpful.I think my next move will be sharing photos here, perhaps even listing it here. Thanks again!
 
45CalPal said:
Yeah we the people are the victims, and our abondened industries. just look at michigan for one example, near the river... its a ghost town of industrial buildings all shut down at the fault of the NAFTA...
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Textiles and automobile industries were certainly transformed. People argue better or worse. But no doubt the landscape changed.
 
crestoncowboy said:
Which was negotiated by Reagan and Bush. And technically ratified by all three countries in 93. NAFTA was a republican bill. More Republicans voted for it than Democrats.

Not being political. Just odd how in the past 10-12 years NAFTA has been peddled by Republicans as a Democrat idea. And Democrats actually support it now more than they did at the time. Lol. Much like several of the Democrat lawmakers pushed for a border wall until Republicans liked the idea.. then the Democrats hated it. Thats the issue with politics. Vote for your "side" rather than your constituents. Buffalo Springfield was on to something

No politic is for you. They make 150k a year and after a 2 4 or 6 year term of making 150k a year they have a net worth of several million.....I make 150k a year and after 2 4 or 6 years I'm worth 50 bucks. Hmmmmm

I have worked in an industry ravaged by Nafta for 20 years. Both parties like to blame the other side. Both parties are to blame
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While certainly not a positive contributor to the overall picture, NAFTA was actually a minor part of the current situation, which is the result of a broad spectrum of policy failures that both parties are responsible for which started after WWII.
Interestingly, of all industries I am willing to bet firearms&ammo has one of the highest remaining portions of US manufacturing and yet the current situation persists.
 
Will Munny said:
While certainly not a positive contributor to the overall picture, NAFTA was actually a minor part of the current situation, which is the result of a broad spectrum of policy failures that both parties are responsible for which started after WWII.
Interestingly, of all industries I am willing to bet firearms&ammo has one of the highest remaining portions of US manufacturing and yet the current situation persists.
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I agree. And I'm not saying my personal opinions nor my politics. But many people and many in my family who were upper level management and blame nafta for a lot like to blame Bill and the Democrats when it was Bush and his party that voted it in and was rushing to pass it. Just the basics, not my opinion. I despise politics. But I do like to give credit where it's due.

And yeah guns were spared much of all the trade deals. Brazil and Mexico made a few but really a drop in the ocean compared to US manufacture. Even the over seas companies like SIG and HK were forced out of their own land and make guns over here. Nowadays it's former soviet countries or USA pretty much.

And in automobiles there were shifts. But companies like Toyota and subaru came over here so I'm sure there is a huge gain of auto maker jobs over 80s numbers. Mopar was one who made a ton of cars in Mexico but they have been bought and sold so much its hard to call them an American company at all. Ford has always had a huge presence in Canada. Even the 50s 60s and 70s Ford have a decent chance of being built in canada. Motors even more so.

As far as gun buying coming to a stop, it baffles me that guns sell so well. A basically infinite life span (since 90% are barely shot) and we are still using and buying 100 year old designs. Lol. New and exciting in the gun world is adding a longer beavertail to a John browning design. Or grinding off the finger grooves on a Glock.
 
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If I recall correctly, the OP wondered if people had stopped buying guns. My suggestion is that people have stopped panic buying guns out of fear of civil unrest or fear that they wouldn't be able to buy if needed. There are many balancers and counterbalances at work, and many of us grumble about prices but reach for our wallets if and when a purchase makes sense to us. That tipping point is different for everyone, but it is good to see new guns and ammo coming in. Prices will sort themselves out over time.
 
I'll buy once prices have somewhat normalized with ammunition. I haven't bought a new firearm in several years. I might try the FN Hi Power that's coming out soon or one of the new flavors of 5.7x28mm pistols.
 
I don't think "gun people'' ever stop buying. A very large percentage of the new gun buyers are not and never will be gun people. Downside is that during this panic the small segment of new buyers that have gone on to become gun people have developed a taste for classics. They are driving the prices sky high on guns that had remained relatively low priced for decades.
 
I'm absolutely through buying guns - tonight. It's dark and cold outside, I just got home from town a little while ago, and I don't feel like going back out tonight.:neener:
However, the truth is I was looking at a couple of Bond Arms derringers just the day before yesterday, and if they'd have had one like I wanted, I'd have probably bought it seeing as how I've been considering a Bond Arms derringer for about 6 months now.
At any rate, while I have not bought a gun in almost 2 years (and the last one I bought was for my wife) it has nothing to do with politics, or covid, or the "panic," or even high prices. It's just that I have all the guns I really want right now.
But that might change by tomorrow. If it does though, I'll probably wait until the middle of next week before I go looking. I'm long time retired, and the crowds (even the gun shopping crowds) are smaller Tuesday through Thursday than they are on Saturday.;)
 
Since I have purchased several guns in the last year or two,, my "want" list is definitely smaller now. There are a few additions I might buy a good used version of, but only one or two that I plan to buy new in the next year or so.
 
rust collector said:
If I recall correctly, the OP wondered if people had stopped buying guns. My suggestion is that people have stopped panic buying guns out of fear of civil unrest or fear that they wouldn't be able to buy if needed. There are many balancers and counterbalances at work, and many of us grumble about prices but reach for our wallets if and when a purchase makes sense to us. That tipping point is different for everyone, but it is good to see new guns and ammo coming in. Prices will sort themselves out over time.
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Yep! That was me.
After reading through the posts in the thread, it looks as bad as I feared it might be. So many people saying they're done buying, and that ammo is too expensive to shoot now, and the prices on other things are so high that those things have to take priority. If inflation is only going to get worse the way some have predicted, then the future doesn't look too bright in any area. Rather depressing! I never thought I'd see so many people on a gun forum basically throwing in the towel, but when times get really tough, it's inevitable. Seeing it happen at this point just goes to show how bad things already are.
 
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Scheels is just to danged expensive for my blood. Got one of their credit cards with a $0.00 balance. Hell, I got a $50 gift card for Christmas and haven't found anything I want to buy with it. Guess I could always buy some ammo .... But
 
rust collector said:
If I recall correctly, the OP wondered if people had stopped buying guns. My suggestion is that people have stopped panic buying guns out of fear of civil unrest or fear that they wouldn't be able to buy if needed
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I basically agree.

More to the point- I owned plenty of firearms, but no ARs, at the start of this mess. For a bit of both reasons, I now have several. I no longer need to address that anymore, so I'm not buying.

Here's a comparison that I think may be relevant- those Peloton exercise bikes with the video programming. Health and fitness buffs always chase fads/needs... but now I hear Peloton's stock is crashing. Gee, I wonder why... perhaps all the people that WANT one, GOT one. Quite a bit of sales, but to a limited market, and you don't need to go add a replacement.

The panic buys fit the same model. I have my couple of ARs, no need to add more just to have more. I'm not an arsenal or arming a battalion. I have quite a few handguns and such, very little duplication. Most are redundant in terms of ammo, but are different designs I found interesting and was able to pick up for a good price.
 
Jimbo80 said:
I don't think "gun people'' ever stop buying. A very large percentage of the new gun buyers are not and never will be gun people.
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The "gun people" don't stop buying but they are price-sensitive. The new buyers are not price-sensitive. If they feel they need a gun, they will pay whatever it takes. I think the wave of gun sales the past couple of years was primarily driven by first-time buyers.
 
crestoncowboy said:
I agree. And I'm not saying my personal opinions nor my politics. But many people and many in my family who were upper level management and blame nafta for a lot like to blame Bill and the Democrats when it was Bush and his party that voted it in and was rushing to pass it. Just the basics, not my opinion. I despise politics. But I do like to give credit where it's due.

And yeah guns were spared much of all the trade deals. Brazil and Mexico made a few but really a drop in the ocean compared to US manufacture. Even the over seas companies like SIG and HK were forced out of their own land and make guns over here. Nowadays it's former soviet countries or USA pretty much.

And in automobiles there were shifts. But companies like Toyota and subaru came over here so I'm sure there is a huge gain of auto maker jobs over 80s numbers. Mopar was one who made a ton of cars in Mexico but they have been bought and sold so much its hard to call them an American company at all. Ford has always had a huge presence in Canada. Even the 50s 60s and 70s Ford have a decent chance of being built in canada. Motors even more so.

As far as gun buying coming to a stop, it baffles me that guns sell so well. A basically infinite life span (since 90% are barely shot) and we are still using and buying 100 year old designs. Lol. New and exciting in the gun world is adding a longer beavertail to a John browning design. Or grinding off the finger grooves on a Glock.
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Maybe they blame Bill and the Democrats because Bill and the Democrats that voted for it did a victory lap and took credit for nafta at the time.
 
crestoncowboy said:
. . . . But I do like to give credit where it's due.

And yeah guns were spared much of all the trade deals. Brazil and Mexico made a few but really a drop in the ocean compared to US manufacture. Even the over seas companies like SIG and HK were forced out of their own land and make guns over here. Nowadays it's former soviet countries or USA pretty much.

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IMHO, that credit is largely due to D.o.D contracts.

But one detail that can't be overlooked is the impact of regulation. Fender musical instruments shifted part of its production from California to Mexico because of the EPA where certain "vintage" (nitro cellulose lacquers) can still be legally sprayed. The total list of regulated out of existence industry is quite long, some for the best, some just because legalities are cost prohibitive.
 
I only stop at the gun shops to price check anymore. The thought of buying at these prices makes me sick.
 
I haven't bought or traded for a gun in like two years or more. Last time I was interested Cabela's told me they couldn't order me a SA XDm Elite Compact in 10mm, cuz "We just aren't doing custom orders." "Kay, bye!"

Honestley, I've lost a lot of enthusiasm for the firearms hoby in general. My money is needed elsewhere.

Like knives.............
 
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If money wasn't so tight I'd be buying some. Still have a few I want just to have

Ruger Mini 14 or 30
.357 Lever action
Any flavor of single action revolver
Black powder revolver
AR
AK
Long range bolt action in a MDT chassis

Probably a few others I'm missing off the top of my head but it's at least $6,000 in firearms, plus a few hundred rounds of ammo for each.
 
I've spent more on guns and ammo in the past year than probably any 3 or more past years. But, I'm done. I don't see buying anything gun related for the next year at least. If I have to cut way back on shooting this year, I will. I've decided no more ammo untill the prices drop. I don't think it's going back to what it was before but it's going to have to drop to "Reasonable".
 
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