Have suppressor laws changed recently?

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Just as ridiculous as worrying about hearing loss in a once-in-a-lifetime defensive shooting. Or, are you making a regular practice of this?

I hope it's a zero-in-a-lifetime occurrence. But should I ever be forced to wound or kill a home invader, I'd rather the criminal be the only one who suffers.

Having to use a firearm to defend your home is a big fat maybe. Hearing damage from discharging a firearm indoors without a suppressor or ear protection, however, is guaranteed. As for the other thing, if you can produce just ONE case where the use of a suppressor in a legitimate home defense shooting was even put forth as something malicious by the prosecution, we can have that discussion on whether or not it made or might make in the future any difference at all. If you cannot do that, you need to change the vernacular in your statements regarding it to clearly reflect that they are your opinion, your supposition, not present them as facts.
 
Twice indoors. I can still hear OK. Some ringing sometimes, but that seems to be mostly induced by motorcycle (shaking, bouncing, flying, more shaking, mountain biking does it to), dehydration, or Mexican food. But a few nights of buzzing.......is extremely frustrating. I could see how such a thing could make people mad.

I just wanted to not wreck everybody else's ears now, and save what's left of mine.

Our grandfathers had no hearing. They could care less about suppressors. Our fathers were flat broke and couldn't afford them. We have hearing and money, so.............

I'm guessing that seeing/trying them at a range or in tactical training, also has a snowball effect.
 
Silencers don't silence. They attenuate the noise. It's not like in the movies.

If more people were aware of this fact, there would be less interest in them, both pro and con.

Certainly on .22LR with the right ammo it is very quiet: all I hear is the action and the round hitting the target. It is nice to be able to shoot without muffs.
 
Just as ridiculous as worrying about hearing loss in a once-in-a-lifetime defensive shooting. Or, are you making a regular practice of this?

Depending on where you live, it may not be once in a lifetime and depending on how many times you fire in a home defense situation (damage is increased by reflected and repeated sound pressure off walls), the hearing loss may be permanent and noticeable and the tinnitus certainly may last a lifetime as well.
 
It’s patently obvious someone here lives in D.C.
Machine guns for me, no suppressors for thee.
Even if I need to lie in an attempt to get others to show less interest in them…

Lying in wait? To ambush someone? In MY HOME?

Being deaf is no big deal? Cut off any other part of your body, you won’t miss that either. Pinky, tongue, doesn’t matter.
Hearing loss is real and can happen through muffs even. Especially for those who actually use their firearms.

Do you hear yourself? (Suppressor humor.:))
Or do you at least read what you type?

Honestly, it sounds like “Sour Grapes”. You must not have any. Yet you open your soup cooler on every suppressor thread. And not everyone dumps on you, like they should, in them. Thankfully you are roundly retorted in this case.


How does it support the Second amendment to suggest every one with a can is a murderer in training?
Or just a peasant jealous of machine guns?

Yup, smacks all of class warfare. It’s just a money game for those without ideals. Values are about more than dollars, for some.
 
Silencers don't silence. They attenuate the noise. It's not like in the movies.

If more people were aware of this fact, there would be less interest in them, both pro and con.

My 2 suppressors attenuate the noise pretty well then. No ear ring at all w/o hearing protection.

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Why own them? Shooting enjoyment and because I can.
 
History: In 1958 the FCC created the Class B Citizen's Radio on 27MHz, better known as Citizen's Band. Licenses were required. (The FCC at first started issuing call signs that violated international treaties and had to change them a few years later.) The service took off, especially with the flood of solid state radios in the 60's and 70's. The 55mph speed limit and the gas shortages of the 70's add millions of users. Most people ignored the licensing part and by 1983 the licensing requirement was dropped for Class B.

I, and I suspect many others, are hoping something similar might occur with silencers. That there might be so many users, that they become, the norm, that eventually congress will remove the from NFA.

I got mine. Well at least I have my paper work in and I "visit" my Rex now and then.

I think Silencer Shop, and others, have made the process a little simpler and here's hoping it gets even easier in the future.
 
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People are cheap and have weird values. They will spend $200 on cigarettes or beer in a month, spend more than that on dining out on junk fast food, but will balk at the $200 fee for a suppressor. Apparently, it is okay to splurge on harmful garbage but is an abomination to spend money on something beneficial to you.

I do get it. Suppressors are not inexpensive, but then again, their cost to own and operate is practically nil after the initial investment and if you don't abuse them, they should last for years and year and years.

I get your point, but going out to eat junk food does not fit the analogy. There is no extra government fee to do that ( ok sales take) The fee (taxes) on alcohol and tobacco are indeed a a Govt fee.

There should be no Govt paperwork and "tax" on suppressors. But there again the whole right to have firearms is a nothing but laws and fees!
 
I get your point, but going out to eat junk food does not fit the analogy. There is no extra government fee to do that ( ok sales take) The fee (taxes) on alcohol and tobacco are indeed a a Govt fee.

There should be no Govt paperwork and "tax" on suppressors. But there again the whole right to have firearms is a nothing but laws and fees!

Oh, it does fit my point. It doesn't matter if it is money go the government or money to Ralston Purina or Philip Morris. People seem okay to frivolously spend money on crap and then proclaim a $200 isn't in their budget. You can spend money on crap or you can spend money on something that benefits you. That one party may be the government and you don't feel that it is right has ZERO to do with my point.
 
00 has a valid point.

Listen to the idiots whining about minimum wage and can't live on it.

But, they always have beer and cigarettes.
They aren't willing to get the education or training to have marketable skills to be worth higher pay.



Many years ago, Wif and I were discussing household budget. I had deer lease payment due. Overtime had been short, in the past, my overtime paid for hunting trips, not the household budget. Plus, cigarettes were going up, again. $0.70 per pack. $7 per carton.
I quit smoking, put the money in the hunting jar.
Choices, priorities, decisions

Do i have a suppressor? No, the $200 tax stamp grates against my soul.
Will I ever have one? Very possible, even if I have to pay the tax.
 
Only thing that bothers me about the NFA Tax stamp is the ridiculus wait time. In my best Biden voice "Come on, man " . This is well into the 21 century where Ai can catch wrong nuances on social media . The wait times show in stone just how turtle pace the bureaucracy runs at ! I'd gladly pay $500 to get say 90 day service and $1000 to get 30 day service ! Come on man !
 
Oh, it does fit my point. It doesn't matter if it is money go the government or money to Ralston Purina or Philip Morris. People seem okay to frivolously spend money on crap and then proclaim a $200 isn't in their budget. You can spend money on crap or you can spend money on something that benefits you. That one party may be the government and you don't feel that it is right has ZERO to do with my point.

It has everything to do with it. The $200 is a
fee" tax to the government for the "privilege" to own a suppressor.

Buying cigarettes and alcohol is a TAX, by the same fine Federal (and State)Agency that regulate firearms.

Buying junk food is a persons right. They can buy and food they want regardless of the health benefits.

So enough in splitting hairs,
 
It has everything to do with it. The $200 is a
fee" tax to the government for the "privilege" to own a suppressor.

Buying cigarettes and alcohol is a TAX, by the same fine Federal (and State)Agency that regulate firearms.

Buying junk food is a persons right. They can buy and food they want regardless of the health benefits.

So enough in splitting hairs,

My statement has NOTHING to do with who gets the $200, only that people claim it is too much money and make suppressors unaffordable, but that they are wasting plenty of money elsewhere.

If you are offended by paying the $200 to the government, that is on you. That isn't a personal finance issue.
 
I've noticed over the past few years that suppressors seem to be more popular, every YouTube gun guy seems to have one now, and they are sometimes on display at gun stores. Are they somehow easier to obtain now, or do you still have to pay a $200 fee and wait a year?
I finally broke down and bought one specifically because SilencerShop made the process a one-stop-shopping affair. In my case, it wasn't a change in law but a change in accessibility that pushed me into the light.
's really incredible to pay $1000 and wait a year for a tube with baffling in it.
I took delivery of my first can in August (and it was $800 including tax stamp, and eight months wait time). Having now experienced what it's like to shoot a hunting rifle (in the field and at the range) without all of the blast and drama, I kick myself for waiting so long to buy one.

They make shooting so much more enjoyable, they ought to be handed out like chicklets.
 
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I finally broke down and bought one specifically because SilencerShop made the process a one-stop-shopping affair. In my case, it wasn't a change in law but a change in accessibility that pushed me into the light.
I took delivery of my first can in August (and it was $800 including tax stamp, and eight months wait time). Having now experienced what it's like to shoot a hunting rifle (in the field and at the range) without all of the blast and drama, I kick myself for waiting so long to buy one.

They make shooting so much more enjoyable, they ought to be handed out like chicklets.
I think I'm about to become a single issue voter on this. The NFA must be abolished, now.
 
I think I'm about to become a single issue voter on this. The NFA must be abolished, now.

Are you going to wait to buy a suppressor until that happens? Just curious, it was what, 6-7 years ago that my buddy was waiting on the Hearing Protection Act that was going to happen, particularly if a Republican got into office and then Trump was elected and some guy not using a suppressor shot up a music venue in Vegas. That ship sailed right by the harbor without stopping. No one hear from the HPA again (pun intended).

Fighting to abolish the NFA is great, but so to is protecting your hearing.
 
Are you going to wait to buy a suppressor until that happens? Just curious, it was what, 6-7 years ago that my buddy was waiting on the Hearing Protection Act that was going to happen, particularly if a Republican got into office and then Trump was elected and some guy not using a suppressor shot up a music venue in Vegas. That ship sailed right by the harbor without stopping. No one hear from the HPA again (pun intended).

Fighting to abolish the NFA is great, but so to is protecting your hearing.
I think everything is going to change in the next few years. Everything. In the meantime, I have more important things to spend my money on while it's still worth anything.
 
Shot some 147gr subsonic 9mm out of my Gemtech Lunar 9 on the above CZ Scorpion. Wow that is a huge difference than the 115gr I've been shooting.
 
I think everything is going to change in the next few years. Everything. In the meantime, I have more important things to spend my money on while it's still worth anything.


Change how? You think the law will get repealed? If so, then you are at least 3 years out as Biden isn't going to do it. People thought it would happen under Trump and it obviously was not a priority for congress or him. I doubt it will be with the next President, either. So my guess is that you are at least 5 years out at the very least, if not more like 9.

Nobody likes the tax or the prices of suppressors, but I have yet to meet anyone with decent hearing that is sorry they spent the money one a decent one.
 
It's really incredible to pay $1000 and wait a year for a tube with baffling in it. You can buy a nice rifle for half that these days.

You can pay as much for an exhaust system for a car. Yet it does exactly the same, and Maxim was the inventor of BOTH.

Silencers and the regulations surrounding them will require a deep dive into the wording and it cannot be avoided. It's more than fill out a form and pay money. Once in your possession then the issue of how to transfer or bequeath it to your survivors comes up. Trusts and such are required. An ad in craigslist won't do it - has to go thru a Tax Stamp FFL and sit in on the shelf waiting for the ATF to process. And they are in no hurry.

In Europe some countries sell them at the hardware stores, and Korea let a major contract with a US supplier for their entire army. If there was no NFA, serial numbering etc then it would be a lot easier. One obstacle is the DOD - they consider them highly pilferable and a controlled item, which sets the tone for legislation even tho its not really our problem. If they were considered "expendable durable" then they would get treated like compasses and we'd even see them surplus. Shot out and in horrible shape, but there you are.

Considering the tactical use and later the hearing loss aspects in post service health care it may well be cheaper to use silencers and get over it. But, no, this is a political exercise of power, not common sense. In production, a hunting silencer would run about $250, no tax stamp, and good luck.
 
Change how? You think the law will get repealed? If so, then you are at least 3 years out as Biden isn't going to do it. People thought it would happen under Trump and it obviously was not a priority for congress or him. I doubt it will be with the next President, either. So my guess is that you are at least 5 years out at the very least, if not more like 9.

Nobody likes the tax or the prices of suppressors, but I have yet to meet anyone with decent hearing that is sorry they spent the money one a decent one.

Change in that there won't even be an "America" as we currently know it. The political situation in this country is well past the event horizon. The NFA will probably carry less weight than blue codes in the years to come.
 
Change in that there won't even be an "America" as we currently know it. The political situation in this country is well past the event horizon. The NFA will probably carry less weight than blue codes in the years to come.

Got it. You are saving $200 because when the country collapses, suppressors will be easy to get. LOL.
 
Silencers and the regulations surrounding them will require a deep dive into the wording and it cannot be avoided. It's more than fill out a form and pay money.
The regulations for silencers and other NFA firearms are neither volumous nor have any need for deep diving.
And what more other than paying a tax and filling out a form for an NFA transfer is required of the buyer?:scrutiny:



Once in your possession then the issue of how to transfer or bequeath it to your survivors comes up.
While you are alive, the transfer is the same process, fill out a Form 4, pay tax, await ATF approval before transferring NFA firearm.
After you die. it depends on how you applied for your Form 1/4:
If an individual, the NFA firearm passes to your heirs via a tax free Form 5.
If a trust, corporation, etc, then that trust, corporation , etc continues to lawfully possess the firearm and physical possession may be maintained by any responsible person listed on the trust.


Trusts and such are required.
Not at all true.



An ad in craigslist won't do it - has to go thru a Tax Stamp FFL
Nonsense.
Form 4 transfers to another resident of the same state can be done directly from one nonlicensee to another nonlicensee. No FFL required and what the heck is a "Tax Stamp FFL"? I've never heard that term before.




and sit in on the shelf waiting for the ATF to process.
It sits with the executor of the estate.

And they are in no hurry.
Maybe you should tell that to ATF.;)
Current processing times for Form 5's is ONE MONTH for a paper F5 and a WHOPPING TEN DAYS FOR an eForm 5.:what:




Where do ya'll get this stuff?o_O
 
Silencers don't silence. They attenuate the noise. It's not like in the movies.

If more people were aware of this fact, there would be less interest in them, both pro and con.

I have no interest in them. I have been at the range while other shooters had them. They were not quiet enough to go with out hearing protection so what is the big deal. It's just another way to spend money.
 
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