Quantcast
  1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Have to ask?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by VietVet 67-68, Jul 29, 2005.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. VietVet 67-68

    VietVet 67-68 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2004
    Messages:
    71
    Location:
    Walker Lake Nevada
    Okay have to ask! How many of you on this form have acually been in combat and had to kill someone or he would have killed you, and how did that make you feel?


    Keith [​IMG]
     
  2. Don't Tread On Me

    Don't Tread On Me Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2004
    Messages:
    2,213
    Location:
    FLORIDA
    I honestly do not mean this as a flame or an attack in any way.

    It has been my experience that most combat veterans do not speak about such events so casually. Nor do real combat/war veterans ask such questions with that type of language. These are questions that actual combat veterans, if asked, absolutely hate. Also, they remark those that ask them are often folks who aren't combat veterans themselves, let alone someone whose killed another person. This is my experience when talking to actual combat veterans in person. I know it sounds cliched, the whole thing about "not wanting to talk about it". That isn't true, many will - just never "just like that" on a webforum. That is like talking about life/death combat situations to a crowd of strangers in a bar.

    So, I find it strange that you ask, and I also doubt you'll get a real answer from the many keyboard commandos that infest the internet.


    If you are really a veteran, then I extend my total and sincere apologies. If not......
     
  3. RTFM

    RTFM member

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2003
    Messages:
    1,140
    Location:
    Land of ID
    Well said Don't Tread On Me.
    Most vets don't sit around swapping stories about the "gooners they bagged"

    Lock the thread please. This is a utterly useless request.
     
  4. gvass

    gvass Member

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2003
    Messages:
    477
    "How many of you on this form have acually been in combat and had to kill someone or he would have killed you, and how did that make you feel?"

    All who will answer this question, never ever seen combat, any kind. Period.
     
  5. Rebar

    Rebar member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2003
    Messages:
    1,867
    I find it mighty peculiar that someone with a handle like "VietVet 67-68" would ask such a question.
     
  6. Sleeping Dog

    Sleeping Dog Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2002
    Messages:
    1,255
    Location:
    MI
    Rebar, I'd guess someone with a handle VietVet-67-68 has as much right to ask the question as anyone. Who knows the motivation?

    VietVet, I'd suggest filling a cooler with beer and heading for the local VFW hall.

    My handle could have been EuroVet-67-68, so I know a thing or two about beer. :)

    Regards.
     
  7. WT

    WT Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2003
    Messages:
    1,985
    There are some things one does not talk about.

    My brother, cousins and friends have never spoken of their combat experiences with Special Forces, the 101st or The Cav. I have never asked.
     
  8. DirtyBrad

    DirtyBrad Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2005
    Messages:
    421
    Location:
    Maryland
    Oh, boo-hoo.

    If someone asks a question you don't want to respond to, don't freaking respond. There's nothing wrong with asking a question. Every time someone brings up suicide here, people come out of the woodwork talking about their friends or family members who've done it. The severity of that subject doesn't stop people from discussing it openly, why should this?

    If someone asks about terminal illness, I may talk about my father dying or I may decide the internet isn't the place for it. It's up to me, but I'm not going to act all offended by someone asking.

    I think the issue of how it makes one feel to kill someone in that situation is very germane to this forum. We all talk about a hundred times a day about shooting someone in self defense. I think it would be very valuable to hear what that does to the shooter emotionally, especially as so many people here act like it would be like swatting a fly to them.
     
  9. Leatherneck

    Leatherneck Member

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2002
    Messages:
    2,545
    Location:
    No. Virginia and Northern Neck
    Careful with the criticism, please. Some "issues" have very long lives.

    TC
    VietVet 68-69
     
  10. stevelyn

    stevelyn Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2003
    Messages:
    3,290
    Location:
    Fairbanksan in Aleutian Hell
    Perhaps VietVet is looking to talk to someone that may have some similar experiences in the relative anonymity of the internet.
    Maybe anyone wishing to tell their story can PM him and avoid criticisims on an open forum.
     
  11. robert garner

    robert garner Member

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2004
    Messages:
    667
    Location:
    columbus georgia
    Vets

    My Father in Law and Uncle met once; two sentences apiece composed of:
    Korea? exchange of dates and locales,Viet Nam? dates and locales, silence.
    I've far to much to live up to
     
  12. GunGoBoom

    GunGoBoom member

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2004
    Messages:
    1,645
    EX-ACTLY. +1. There just MAY be a few real vets who would approach the subject in such a matter-of-fact, somewhat cavalier way; maybe not. In any event, just let the thread run its course. I can see maybe if you were an actual vet chastising this person; but let's leave it to actual vets to respond in whatever way is appropriate, not us non-vets; and not call in an airstrike from the close-happy mods.
     
  13. Mal H

    Mal H Administrator

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2002
    Messages:
    17,049
    Location:
    Somewhere in the woods of Northern VA
    Leatherneck is absolutely right. Let's stop the completely unfounded criticisms that have been flying around here.

    Until you know the experiences, circumstances and feelings of another with regards to that very touchy subject, silence is the best post you can offer.

    stevelyn's observation and advice are very good.
     
  14. phoglund

    phoglund Member

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2004
    Messages:
    777
    Location:
    The Bozone
    I'm going to take a bit of an unusual approach to this thread...answer the question...in the negative. I've never done so and hope I never will. If any of you have fought for the USA and had to kill in the line of duty you have my sympathy for having to take human life and heartfelt thanks for your service.

    I was in the Coast Guard and predictably saw no combat.
     
  15. Vern Humphrey

    Vern Humphrey Member

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2002
    Messages:
    18,372
    Location:
    Deep in the Ozarks
    While there may be some value in a discussion on this subject, this is not the appropriate forum.
     
  16. Rebar

    Rebar member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2003
    Messages:
    1,867
    With the anonymity of the internet, it's easy to pose as something you're not. While I generally accept what someone says about themselves, it doesn't take much to get the old BS meter running.
     
  17. MAUSER88

    MAUSER88 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2004
    Messages:
    664
    Location:
    NJ
    Sounds like a legit question to me. Respond or don't, what's the big deal?? :confused:
     
  18. wmenorr67

    wmenorr67 Member

    Joined:
    May 14, 2004
    Messages:
    348
    Location:
    Tulsa, OK--Formerly Kansas City, Kansas
    +1
     
  19. Vern Humphrey

    Vern Humphrey Member

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2002
    Messages:
    18,372
    Location:
    Deep in the Ozarks
    Killing another human being leaves an indellible mark. Those who had to do it, especially those who did it in the service of the country, have a right to privacy.
     
  20. Polishrifleman

    Polishrifleman Member

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2005
    Messages:
    848
    Location:
    Puget Sound, Washington
    To +1 Vern, Death itself leaves a mark whether you've done the killing, watched a love one die or a stranger in your arms, some people like to talk about it and get it off their chest and communicate about it, others think you should keep it in and deal with it internally. Only the individual knows how and when shuch topics will be discussed if ever.
     
  21. pax

    pax Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    9,762
    Location:
    Washington state
    VietVet ~

    I just picked up an interesting book by David Klinger. The title is, "Into the Kill Zone" and the subtitle is, "A Cop's Eye View of Deadly Force."

    Klinger is a sociologist and an ex-cop. He interviewed 80 police officers in four states, who, like him, had to shoot someone while on duty, and their stories are told in this book. While I've only read the first chapter so far, the stories are told in a gripping style that makes it hard to put the book back down.

    If you are trying to come to grips with incidents in your own past, I'd recommend this book simply because it does present the perspectives of a lot of different people who had to make agonizingly complex choices in chaotic circumstances and who lived to tell about it.

    pax
     
  22. Double Maduro

    Double Maduro Member

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2002
    Messages:
    1,125
    What Vern said.


    DM
     
  23. DirtyBrad

    DirtyBrad Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2005
    Messages:
    421
    Location:
    Maryland
    I respect very much those who serve or have served. Thank you all. Also, I have nothing but sympathy for those forced to take lives in the line of that duty.

    However, I don't think it's at all right to jump all over someone for asking a question. I have a right to privacy if I take Viagra, but that doesn't mean if someone asks, "Has anyone on here ever taken Viagra" I'm going to get upset. What I'm going to do is not respond.

    I doubt very seriously that those in that position are going to freak out if someone asks the question. It's not as if in normal society the concepts of death, killing, war, or shooting never come up.

    No, I don't take Viagra. Yet...
     
  24. Ric

    Ric Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2004
    Messages:
    759
    Location:
    Northern Indiana
    Grenada
    Panama
    Gulf War Episode 1

    I never really had a problem talking about it. I don't go around bragging cause it's not really anything to brag about. I did what I had to do and came home.
     
  25. Lone_Gunman

    Lone_Gunman Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    8,056
    Location:
    United Socialist States of Obama
    Damn, I actually agree with you for once, Rebar.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page